Harden clearly wanted to be traded before the season started. Tilman gambled that they could make Harden happy and it back fired. In hindsight we should have traded Harden before the season and held out on WB until someone like the Lakers showed up. That's on Tilman. Dipo didn't work out, but I would hope my GM did everything possible to pump up Dipo before the deadline. We gambled that Dipo would look like a positive asset rehabbing on the Rockets, and it didn't work out. He's been pretty much injured since the trade to Miami, so not exactly a slam dunk by Riley either. I don't see how the draft factors in. We should have signed Theis to a 1+1 team option instead of a 2+1 team option if we were going to sign him. However, he maybe gone at the deadline. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/ce...-celtics-showed-interest-daniel-theis-reunion https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-trade-rumors-daniel-theis-houston-rockets That's fair, but Mobley's camp (and Suggs) refused to workout with the Rockets. Maybe Stone just utterly dropped the ball or maybe some of the camps saw how the organization has performed under Tilman and steered the clients somewhere else. Maybe they didn't like how the Rockets use work outs to get data on players. I don't know what to tell you about that.
Based on what? He's a younger, better character version if Christian Wood. Aren't we trying to upgrade? The type of players that are going to want to willingly play for Houston are the type that want expanded roles. I don't really see the issue with a player wanting an expanded opportunity.
Theis would have been a pretty good backup five. Instead he only got consistent minutes while playing next to Wood. This was due to the fact that they want to ensure Sengun is getting back up minutes for his development. It was odd how stringent Silas has been with making sure Sengun is the sole big for 95% of his minutes but was more than willing to try to force Wood and Theis to work. They paid Theis 9M a season for four years to play about 20 games in an awkward fit. If they find a team to take that contract without requiring a second round pick at minimum in return, then good for Rafael. I'll be impressed. Theis has been nothing but bad here. A lot of moves surrounding this team have been bizarre. They didn't want Allen because of Wood. They didn't want Mobley because of Wood. Now they want to trade Wood? Seems like you made two franchise altering moves to build around a guy who you want gone less than a year later. I thought we were supposed to take a long view here. These are three moves that were short sighted all while trying to sell us on a patient rebuild.
he can not create well enough for himself or others to be a 1st or 2nd option…he does not make anybody better either…he is not much of an upgrade, he has Trae Young spoon feeding him we will be the team giving the John Collins of the world expanded offensive opportunities when they’re not that guy…y’all want to replace Christian Wood with the next Christian Wood, a 3rd option trying to masquerade as something he’s not
I think that's a bit of hindsight. Based on what? They aren't similar players, besides position. Whoever got Allen was going to have to pay him in FA, which is why the Nets didn't want him (they paid Joe Harris). I don't think Tilman wanted to pay Allen either after taking the rebuilding package from the Nets. Cavs were 3 years deep in their rebuild while the Rockets were half a season into it. Based on what? I don't really agree with your logic. I don't think they valued Wood as much as you think they did.
I personally would take a flier on John Collins. I am with you and don't think he's ever more than a third option. I actually think he's worse than Christian Wood. He's also two years younger and under team control for four more years and would allow the Rockets to maintain a trade chip for a little longer. Wood has 12 months of being tradeable, extended or walking. I don't trust Stone on any sort of deadline timer.
Then y'all would be b****in' about the fact he did nothing with them. Or got ripped off in a trade for one of them. The fanbase will always find a reason to complain about something.
And that's been done how many times? Was it even mostly skill or mostly luck? Little bit of both? Why would you set unrealistic expectations for Stone? So you can be like "see!" ?
You clearly know how to use google. https://hoopshype.com/rumor/rockets-didnt-think-jarrett-allen-would-be-a-match-with-christian-wood/ With regards to the draft basically every major story that came out said they didn't view Mobley and Wood as a fit. There were some sourced quotes back then saying the Rockets didn't like the fit either. here an example from Kevin O Connor at the Ringer. please stop responding to everything I say. I don't think that's a baseline. Presti never won a championship with those three either. I'm just saying just because Presti doesn't do press means that Stone shouldn't be better at it. It's part of the job.
he just doesn’t make much of a difference which is why I’m good on him…if he had been here this whole time instead of Wood, our record would still be the same…younger than Wood, but it’s not like he’s bursting with untapped potential and upside Rockets will be looking to trade Collins when he has a year or so left on his deal and has thoroughly been exposed trying to be a 1st or 2nd option on a bad team, and we’ll be scrambling for whatever we can get…John Collins is basically the Christian Wood remix
The interview was so boring, classy and professional that CF fighting themselves. That's how toxic we are. lol
Some of us actually pay to read this puff piece bullshit and didn't get it free via copy and paste. I'm sick of the Athletic being essentially a PR extension of the team.
Fair enough. However, I still think Allen's pending RFA played a roll in it. That seems like KOC's opinion and surprising to suggest an offensive big wouldn't fit with defensive big. I just find it very hard to believe we went with "fit" instead of BPA with the second pick. KPJ also had a decent first year with the Rockets, but we'd draft another SG? That is, that Wood is the reason why didn't select Mobley doesn't seem true. It seems like Tilman meddled around with our #2 pick. Stop it, there are things you've said in this thread I haven't responded to. I respond to things I find interesting or want to discuss. You are the one who brought up that baseline.
Mr. Iko met his deadline at least. He asked the general questions. It's a matter of how Stone answered them. Concur it is a fluff piece. That said small stuff is better than nothing? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ One takeaway was Stone painted a picture of how GM engage in trade talks. Almost like a 'dating game', where there's a fair amount of feeling each other out. Indirectly, he's reminding us not to put too much stock in trade rumors. --Even if two GMs had a conversation, it could just be chatter and not end up in a match. --- footnote: With D. Fox in trade news; I tuned into Kings media a bit more recently. They kinda describe Monte McNair the same way. Doesn't do lot of press, when he does, he says a lot of nothing. Po-po-po-po-poker face.
