1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

The Athletic: Bruno Fernando Will Start Over Sengun When He Returns

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sengun, Nov 11, 2022.

  1. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,077
    Likes Received:
    22,614
    You can check NBA.com for the single game stats.
    Bruno had a 130.8 defensive rating and 100 offensive rating against Memphis.
    Alp had 125 offensive rating and 106.8 defensive rating

    Against Atl
    Bruno had a 101.8 offensive rating and 105.6 defensive rating
    Alp had a 100 offensive rating and 110.2 defensive rating.
     
    hakeem94 likes this.
  2. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    [​IMG]
    @LeDakota
    i think this work is almost a year old
     
    LeDakota likes this.
  3. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    [​IMG]
     
  4. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
  5. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    [​IMG]
     
  6. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,350
    Likes Received:
    13,301
    And you can check out basketball-reference.com that I linked for you.

    And how do you know if Bruno got hurt but kept trying to play?

    Here are Bruno's numbers in the first quarter [ vs Grizz ]
    https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202210210HOU.html

    And here are his second quarter numbers [ vs Grizz ]
    https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202210210HOU.html

    His first quarter numbers are better than Sengun first quarter numbers (vs starters)
     
    #146 ApacheWarrior, Nov 11, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2022
  7. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,077
    Likes Received:
    22,614
    The numbers still say Bruno is not some defensive stalwart. He was abused by Trae and Ja
     
    hakeem94 likes this.
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    You can make a case for Bruno starting, and I really like what I see from him.

    But it would be a big mistake if that comes at the cost of making Sengun a focal point - he's shown us what he can do these past few games. He needs to get 25 minutes at least and be featured in those minutes.

    Garuba is also looking good.

    One way you make room for these guys is to finally trade away guys like EG and Tate.
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,350
    Likes Received:
    13,301
    You can believe what you wish.

    Fact is that the Rockets were
    * implementing the Lionel Hollins
    defensive scheme in the first week (showed vanilla defense in preseason)
    * Incorporating Jabari (rookie making rookie mistakes)
    *Incorporating Tari (rookie making rookie mistakes)
    *Top notch competition in first two games.

    Now put Bruno with
    *Jabari who now understands defensive rotations and scheme better
    *Tari who now understands defensive rotations and scheme better
    *Kenyon who now is playing well and has started diving to the rim offensively.
    *KPj rubbing his opponent off screens better
    *Green who is rubbing his opponent off screens better

    I'll give you the last word
     
  10. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,077
    Likes Received:
    22,614
    Jabari is literally a part of the 3 worst 5 man lineups on the rockets.
    KPJ and Jalen are really bad on defense right now, specially in ISO defense.
    You can make excuses for them all you want, but bottom line is the entire defense is bad. Bruno isn’t a better defender than Alp by any metric. That’s not to say either are capable of making up for the guard play and Jabari who was supposed to be a game changer on defense.
    And you don’t choose who gets last word or not. We can have a discussion or not. Doesn’t matter to me.

    Im all for the betterment of the team, but it’s dumb to put Bruno in over the best player on the team right now in Alp. And putting his development over Garuba
     
  11. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    why the penny pinching? we already have too many future picks... why not just bench/sit them for the season?

    last year we made the same mistake played the vets david nwaba etc too much, didnt teach young guys to play and still didnt got any surplus future picks ...on contrary we got less because their value devalued because team wasn't good cause alpi didnt play enough...
     
  12. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,350
    Likes Received:
    13,301
    Uggh I said I would give you the last word.

    Our guards have to leave their assignments because cement boots Sengun needs
    so much help protecting the interior. Thus the Sengun +/- is low.....if....if....
    Green and Porter stay at home and Sengun was left to defend the interior by himself...
    left on an island you would see the Sengun +/- be something like minus 17
    every game. As it is, it's a layup drill.

    Bruno also requires some help, but much often can defend the interior
    by himself. Context matters much. Now I give you the last word.
    I look forward to Bruno getting a crack at sub par teams like the 3 win Magic.
     
    maj21 likes this.
  13. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,077
    Likes Received:
    22,614
    We aren’t watching the same games.
    In no way are the guards rotating and helping, no one is rotating and helping.
    The broadcast has brought this up multiple times. The guards can’t stay in front of their guys and leaving Alp on an island.
    He still is averaging 2 stocks a game. I’m not going to even comment on the stupidity of “cement boots”

    Now you may have your turn to speak.
     
  14. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,350
    Likes Received:
    13,301
    Here is a highlight of Rockets vs Magic

    Watch Sengun defensively getting destroyed in PnR

    You can see the score tied 2 to 2 and Sengun is late getting back and Jabari gets Senguns
    man which leaves Jabaris man wide open for 3....Banchero nails it. Nice being so wide open....
    Jabari sucks......or is it Senguns fault?!?!

    Dude does not hedge the corner of the screen and still gets beat constantly as screen man
    gets past him easily every time. Sengun would foul out in 13 minutes if Rocket players
    weren't helping him.

    Watch Sengun at the 3-pt line offensively.....nobody within 10 feet of Sengun.

    Sengun in the second tier line of defense. Banchero dunks with Sengun stuck in the mud
    just watching and providing no assistance.


    Cant lie about video....it speaks for itself
     
    #154 ApacheWarrior, Nov 11, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2022
  15. PeterKingX

    PeterKingX Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    20,801
    Likes Received:
    13,315
    25 mins lol

    If your best player only can play 25 mins, I don’t know who is deserved to play 30+ mins...
     
    Ankara1923 and AroundTheWorld like this.
  16. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,077
    Likes Received:
    22,614
    There is literally not one instance of a guard or any player rotating on a contest in PNR. The first defensive play KPJ is behind Franz.
    Playing drop coverage and getting stuck in no man’s land for the lob is something that needs to be addressed, he did have one play where he defended it well.
    There is no rotations or contests from anyone, period.
    The play where KPJ and Alp let Paolo dunk uncontested was smart. Perimeter defense was non existent, both slid over and there was no stopping him from dunking. Why pick up a foul?
    If we decide to hedge on the PNR, players are going to have to fight harder over the screens. The defense is broken, and it’s not on one player.
     
  17. Risingred

    Risingred Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2011
    Messages:
    691
    Likes Received:
    1,148
    You just never understand. No people here is trying to ignore Sengun's defense deficiencies or deny Bruno's improvements on D. The fans have seen enough of KPJ dancing for two full years which awarded us the worse records for consecutive years. What you are suggesting is that, let Bruno starts, which means KPJ and Green will continue getting more touches and more of the same will happen to warrant the bottom of the standing. Last game, the fans were able to see what was the potential of Sengun focused offense at the first quarter, even OG pulled a Stephen Curry, we still managed the lead and scored 37 points on a very good defensive Raptors team. Fans want to see changes, not more of the same. KPJ, Smith, Green all played pretty abysmal on defense so far but we know they will be better when they have more minutes together. The fact is, Sengun only got 3,3,2 fouls after the Clippers' game. If what your claim is right, just let Sengun foul out and your idol Bruno can play 35 minutes per game. I'm totally fine with it. I do not disagree that, Bruno may (or may not) have a better overall rating, at the end of the season. That being said, we know we'll be the worst team again if Bruno starts, while Sengun starts will give people something different to hope for.
     
    #157 Risingred, Nov 11, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2022
  18. maj21

    maj21 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2021
    Messages:
    3,961
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    There’s too many pros and cons with this. The vertical spacing and rim protection are important. One thing that is overlooked is that Sengun gets starting bigs in foul trouble early. Reminds me of how the lakers never wanted to put shaq on duncan bc he would foul him out. If you’re a team like Philly, you would rather Sengun come off the bench and get their backup 5 in foul trouble, rather than Embiid I’m just gonna wait and see.
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    Well when you best player gets a foul every 4-5 min, he's not going to get 30+ min.
     
  20. Risingred

    Risingred Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2011
    Messages:
    691
    Likes Received:
    1,148
    I don't think it's a difficult decision. If Sengun plays against the starting bigs, regressed and get into the foul trouble, he lowered his head and never improve again. We will trade his ass out of here. However, if he keeps his heads up, and eventually able to help us get the offensive bigs in foul trouble, we won the gamble and got a legitimate building block of a championship team in making. You don't get that from Bruno. We have nothing to lose anyway, why betting on the conservative option?
     
    cmoak1982 likes this.

Share This Page