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The Athletic: Bruno Fernando Will Start Over Sengun When He Returns

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sengun, Nov 11, 2022.

  1. DatRocketFan

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    Bruno has too small of a sample size. It's unfair to use that and say sengun fits best with the starting squad based solely on stats.

    A lot of Folks can see the little things that sengun provides to the team but if u really want to use stats, let the Bruno experiment runs it course otherwise u will have the anti sengun always slander sengun with nonsense.

    I don't think Bruno being a lob threat justifies making sengun sit out. Kpj is not good at lobbing the ball. If the goal is to hone kpj lobbing skills, I guess u have to start somewhere.
     
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  2. hakeem94

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    with proper coaching even kanter could of played...and alpi has a potential to be a great defender...has all the tools.. just needs playing time...alpi is better than kanter already....

    at the end of the day kanter went to Western Conference Finals with portland...and if they had alpi instead of him could of even beaten the warriors....
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    This is a terrible argument because it ignores what I was talking about intentionally for the sake of rhetoric

    My concerns about Sengun are about the future, right now I've said he's one of the better players on the team and his numbers reflect that.... but he's also as quick and athletic as he'll ever be.

    Kanter was also a plus player as a 20 year old.... then he got older, lost a half step and was unplayable.

    I get why you'd want to dismiss this valid concern, but it's not gonna go away
     
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  4. AlperenSengun

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    Well, there is no player with same haircut with Alpi so next best thing is same nationality :)
     
  5. cmoak1982

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    You know the bolded part isn’t true right?
     
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  6. hakeem94

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    empty stats
    and yes 10 is a metaphor...because kpj just aint it.. and ALPI IS A NATURAL AT PLAYMAKING....it comes easy to him and of itself...scoring, playmaking, fould drawing setting up his teammates.....kpj is natural only at fancy dribbles leading nowhere...he struggles everywhere else...should think of change of profession or just a scenery...

    alpi only played like a dozen of real NBA games of 35+ minutes perhaps not even so much...THIS IS BASICALLY HIS ROOKIE SEASON...if stone and silas allow...

    hell clean up his turnovers with experience and when he will play in rhythm...silas was constantly throwing him out of rhythm with 6 minutes nights or 3x4 minutes and not playing tru him, letting lesser players and lesser playmakers playmake, ballhog and chuck...
     
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  7. cmoak1982

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    Green, Alp, Jabari, Tari, Usman and KPJ to an extent haven’t reached their peak physically.
    Some mature sooner than others but typically around 24-26 is when men are their strongest and fastest.
    It’s very evident that Jabari and Alp are very late bloomers, their bodies are overgrown teenagers right now.
     
  8. AlperenSengun

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    I am well aware of the sample size. But there are two things that make me post that

    1) these numbers are for a period when Bruno looked really good
    2) I like giving Bobby his own non-sense, and how he does everything for the sake of a narrative, not mentioning this metric when KPJ is not good at it.

    I actually like Bruno, and see him as a good complimentary piece to Sengun. Also good for KPJ to play his pnr game with him, when Bruno is in. KPJ is definitely more comfortable with him. So it is the natural course in my opinion.

    But when you start to ignore Sengun's positives and compare to Kanter, the non-sense starts. and Bobby is the best person to answer his own non-sense.

    The lob threat is good, but as you said KPJ is not good at it at all. 2 lobs in a preseason game is used by KPJ stans as if they are connecting all the time. I recall so many turnovers due to bad lob attempts. Still, the threat gives more space to KPJ to operate, and he is better off to take a midrange jumper than to drive to the basket.
     
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    Gotta be frank.

    You are too stupid or trollish to be worth engaging.

    For the people that live around you in real life I hope it's troll behavior and not mental deficit.

    One of the few people where the ignore button makes sense where the conversations still make sense because most people already just ignore your stupid rhetoric.
     
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  12. Hemingway

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    With garuba’s growth Bruno should be emergency use only. He is not a quality nba player
     
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  13. Ankara1923

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    I said that Bruno is distraction,red herring, you want o polish KPJ and you answered exactly same.Why you bothered to post Nibelungenlied long answer? Where is Bruno in your formula?

    I like your posts, happy to see lots of fact but you really need to be trained to analyze the numbers. There is a huge resemblance between you and Niall Ferguson, Harvard-Stanford historian.Wonderful at the beginning, very informing, very poor at the conclusion (because of imposing trials rather than informing).Or take Umberto Eco, wonderful writer except the closing chapter. He knew history but could not figure out the future.

    Whatever you and some Sengun haters hope (I don't describe you hater, you are just short-sighted or let's say novice ) KPJ won't be starting PG in this team.We also don't buy "if Mavs signs him" fairytales. Rockets will draft or sign a PG next year and the core will be New Guy+JGreen+Tari+Jabari+Sengun for a while.If KPJ plays as a wing or 6th man, welcome, otherwise good luck.

    Try to inform people, don't impose. Be a warrior (Alp means warrior/knight by the way), an honest warrior.
     
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    Bruno is not a good defensive player. The only thing he is better than Sengun or Garuba is catching lobs
     
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    you want to bench player who is in his rookie season better at getting to the line than 2 times MVP JOKIC in his MVP seasons?

    you are the troll here and if you did have any good arguments to 'my 'stupid rhetoric' youd respond to it i bet you any money....

    only it wasnt rethoric it was facts, nuanced arguments AND CONTEXT...way too nuanced, so yeah easier to put me on ignore....
     
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  16. AlperenSengun

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    We are not having a conversation where you express you sincere valid concern. If you did, we would have an actual discussion. You ignore the 10 times more 'concerns' about kpj, which are actually not concerns at this point. You compare Sengun to players that he has nothing common with other than nationality. You disregard the stats, and only care to mention them if it goes your way. That is not what i call expressing a concern or the attitude of a person who wants to carry on a conversation. Anyway, back to ignore. A couple days too many for you.
     
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  17. Risingred

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    It has nothing to do with Sengun only fan or KPJ only fan, and it has to do with player efficiency. Sengun is currently sitting number 10 on the PER, leading the team. While KPJ is sitting at 132nd among all players, near the bottom of the team, and probably the worst starting PG among all teams. You need an extremely compelling reason, to build a team surrounding the least efficient player instead of the most efficient one. PER may not be the absolute indication of how good a player is, but if you are with the pack of Jo Morant and Donovan Mitchell, you are pretty damn good. There's no denying that KPJ can be a very good player, but he has given the chance to run the offense for over two years and the result apparently is very depressing. How much more time we need to give KPJ to prove that he can bring us to the promise land? or at least, make the playoff? We have been discussing the stats and all different pros and cons on this thread, and I respected people supporting KPJ. Let say we start Bruno over Sengun and continue to feature KPJ centered offense, how much more loses you will say, enough is enough? Until we drafted Wemby? “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I don't want to romanticize Sengun's number and he may not be able to keep up, but it is not a great time to pull the player, who is playing extremely well and efficient, from the starting lineup of the worst team in the league. If our solely goal is to tank, just play Nix and the Bird 35 minutes per game we can easily accomplish that. Sengun only won 1 game when he's starting while Bruno won a big zero, unless you want to count the meaningless preseason games.
     
  18. bmelo

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    You have someone great at something that almost nobody else does at this level. And you have typical physical someone else that does what 90% of gleague centers do. What does it say about the coach when he prefers the latter?
     
  19. DatRocketFan

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    If Bruno unlocks kpj "game", I fully expect kpj ppg to go up so much that it justifies benching sengun.

    If it doesn't, why are we still catering to kpj then? It's been seen that sengun elevates the offense to at least being watchable, but I'm down for Bruno starting if this will get silas fired.

    Garuba being sent to the potential dog house to be with jc is more errorengous than sengun being bench. There's literally no reason to do that to someone who has shown a lot of potential with Eason and martin
     
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  20. hlmbasketball

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    I'm disappointed in SOFs (Sengun Only Fans) because of them thinking about the betterment of the TEAM, they are upset because their player is not starting.

    If he comes off the bench, it makes the bench unit that much more stronger!

    To me it shows where their heart lye.
     
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