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The Athletic: Bruno Fernando Will Start Over Sengun When He Returns

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sengun, Nov 11, 2022.

  1. AlperenSengun

    AlperenSengun Member

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    One page of incorrect, irrelevant numbers to say that 'Sengun is inefficent and KPJ is the best option'. Back to ignore, you lasted a couple days.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    The Jaden Ivey take is bizarre, right now he's objectively worse than KPJ at everything.

    What do you base that take on?
     
  3. hakeem94

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    why not make KPJ come off the bench?

    a lesser talent, lesser player, lesser playmaker(ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE)... older....a headcase...

    i guess rockets are the worst team in nba for a reason...
    2 years of this and it will be half a decade worst team in nba LOL
    should rename the franchise into the houston basketball clowns
     
  4. hakeem94

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    people dont understand that the more minutes for sengun and the greater the role, the better development for EVERYONE...
     
  5. AlperenSengun

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    I agree with this. The reason is that we don't have vet presence and a playmaker. Sengun is the closest thing resembling both. If we had someone like Rubio, that would not be the case.
     
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  6. Bobbythegreat

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    Sengun fans aren't going to like to hear this... but it's because he has more long term upside and better chemistry with Jalen Green. Also there's an easy player to swap him out for that helps what the Rockets want to do on both ends.... also it would be nice to win a jump ball every now and again.
     
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  7. cmoak1982

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    Absolutely disagree about long term upside. KPJ is far closer to his final form.
    And Alp actually has won some tips, our guys have gotten beat to the ball.

    Also, Bruno is not a good defender at all. Y’all need to stop with that. The only thing he adds is a lob threat.
     
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  8. hakeem94

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    thanks
    what do you mean by chemistry? on court chemistry or off the court?

    to me upside long term is just a mental construct in reality there is no such thing...perhaps you have higher bb knowledge so you may be onto something...logically speaking long term upside is just thoughts in some peoples head...
    btw

    sengun was better at drawing fouls as a rookie than jokic as MVP and his longterm upside is smaller than headcase chucker with fancy dribbles that cant even attack the rim despite all the athleticism and usage and keys to the franchise?
    this doesnt make any sense to me..

    sengun is 10 times playmaker kpj is..imho this fits better with jalen green...

    i see no real arguments just a huge heap of excuses and bb ignorance behind which tanking ideology and 3pt worshipping cult is hidden...(which are also baseless as proven 1000 times)

    mentioning jumpball is what hints me you have no real reasons, logical reasons to justify the blasphemy of benching one of the best players in NBA...so youre probably mentioning whatever warts he has to 'justify' not generally appreciating sengun for what he is or could be...this is what i see from experience when people are not sure about something they try to list as many reasons of why they shuold do it to somehow 'justify' it...imho

    ps
    sorry if some of these words come out sounding harsh or judgemental...not sure how that happened...
    i appreciate your work a lot! and i mean it
     
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  9. aaquaa

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    Yeah, because the game is aptly named Best of 3 Jumpball.
    I believe the starting 5 will profit from a less vocal member too; after all our players are too sensitive to be directed by a 20-yr-old showing them the correct spots to be in. They do just fine by themselves.
     
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    oooopppssss!
    the houston basketball tanking clowns..a proper new name before the team is relocated to las vegas with tons of assets
     
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  11. Bobbythegreat

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    When i talk about long term upside, the reason I say KPJ has a higher upside is because what he's currently weak at often gets better with age.

    When it comes to Sengun... he's likely as athletic as he'll ever be. His lateral quickness isn't going to improve with age. How long will it be before he's a "Can't play Kanter" situation?
     
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    I can see KPJ improving to an extent, I can also see Alp getting more explosive and stronger with proper training. He isn’t done maturing physically, that’s pretty obvious.
    Like I said before KPJ is closer to his final form than Alp

    And Kanter isn’t a comp for Alp, at all.
    Alp already miles better offensively and defensively
     
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    Your best player starts. Period.

    Fire the coach if he keeps undermining the best player.

    Alperen Sengun is the best player on the Rockets, and will be for years to come.
     
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    Bruno Fernando is out tonight. We will see plenty of Alpi and Garuba tonight against mighty Zion and Jonas. Tough assignment.
    I am looking forward for Tari playing against Ingram.
    Exciting night in the NBA - First KD against the Clippers and then our guys with hopefully a WIN
     
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  15. Bobbythegreat

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    I kind of figured that's where I'd lose the Sengun fans, but it's okay. I see physical shortcomings as more difficult to overcome than maturity or experience related issues. That's why I think KPJ has a better chance of fixing his issues than Sengun.

    I don't think he'll ever be quick enough to defend anywhere but the post and I don't think it's a stretch that he could end up struggling just like his fellow slow footed countryman Kanter. Both were very good offensively, but physical limitations ruined Kanter's career, I worry the same could happen to Sengun.
     
  16. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    This is absolutely idiotic if it happens, but I'll be glad if it does because Sengun will just embarrass Silas and that will be the end of it.
     
  17. AlperenSengun

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    Let's remember how Bobbythegreat evaluates players, based on stats:

    According to Bobbythegreat the impact of our players this season so far stands like this:

    Sengun: -2.3
    Bruno: -6.7
    KPJ: -5.3 (last year +4)
    Green: -16.6
    Tari: +17.7
    Garuba: +6.5
    KMJ: + 14.1
    Jabari: -18

    We thank past Bobby for spelling it out to current Bobby. But of course we should prefer Bruno, because winning the jump ball is more important than the extra points he makes us lose. And KPJ is the best option.
     
  18. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I, too, am tired of this mildly racist comparison. Kanter would have to add passing, shotblocking and a bad 3pt shot IN HIS EARLY 20'S BEFORE HE JOINED THE NBA to be in the same stratosphere as Alpi.
     
  19. cmoak1982

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    And I figured a KPJ only fan would have this terrible take.
    He is what he is, an inefficient player pigeon holed into a role he shouldn’t be in by a subpar coaching regime.
    By no stretch of the imagination am I or will I ever be a player only fan. But I am going to support our young players, specially the best one on the team.
    And I’m pretty sure I’ve read you defending Alp defense multiple times. He isn’t as slow footed as you are suggesting, he did very well in switch defense last year.
    KPJ can be more efficient,……if he is put in a position to play off ball. He is not a point guard.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    Sengun has the same amount of turnovers as assists.

    At least KPJ almost has two times more assists than turnovers.

    10x is a exaggeration.
     

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