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The Art of the Long View - Part Deux

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tango, Mar 9, 2004.

  1. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    Hell, let's see if he can plot where the WMDs are. Nobody else seems to be having any luck finding them.
     
  2. Nero

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    Yes, that WOULD be interesting.. especially if one were to look
    closely at the chart leading up to, and then directly AFTER, the time
    when Rudy went down with the cancer.. obviously it would be a
    seminal event on the chart, because it was a seminal event in the
    history of the franchise.. BUT it would be interesting to see it in
    black-and-white right there on the chart...
     
  3. Nolen

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    In this graph, if we assume the Griz maintain their current momentum to the end of the season, what will their record be? If they actually maintained the exponential curve, they'd end up with what, 55, 60 wins?
     
  4. Nolen

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    This is just so silly. Please let it go. It is so ridiculous to look at these graphs of team's records, and say that it 'clearly outlines' the contribution of a single player on either team. There are thousands and thousands of factors that go into overall wins and losses- your obsession with one of those things is just that- your obsession.

    If you want to say that it's too bad the Rocks let him go, fine, say it. Each one of us in here could take some singular factor and go on and on about how it is the factor- Steve's shooting this year, Yao's improvement, JJ's play, JVG's defense, the chemistry of particular lineups, mentality after a big win/loss. None of us (except you) are, though, because it's not germane to this thread. There's a bigger picture, the "Long View", to be looked at. Not dreamcasting/rewriting history 'What if we had drafted so-and-so" type crap.

    Even if you don't think Posey is the factor, if your whole point is that he would have helped us get more W's, it's just silly to bring up. Really.
    "This graph clearly outllines to us that if Steve shot %45 this year, our curve would be more curvy."
    "This graph clearly outlines that if Yao averaged 12 rebs a game, our curve would go up more."
    "This graph clearly outlines that if Rudy had stayed, [insert rant]."

    These graphs don't clearly outline any of these damn things, you just see what you want. Let it go, dude. Why don't you just go into every single game thread for every game and mention how Posey would have helped is win, or win bigger? I mean, people are constantly b****ing in those threads, usually about Yao or Steve, about some singular thing they could have done to help us win the game, but at least they're talking about players we have.
     
  5. Tango

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    Ok-

    I'm reposting the Grizzlies, Rockets, and Nuggets charts here. Included on the chart is the highest r-squared values for the charts I could get from excel.

    In the case of the Rockets it's clearer to see the change in their play and improvement that occured around the Dec timeframe as opposed to the lackluster play in the 1st 3rd of the season.

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  6. Tango

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    As requested here are the charts for the Jazz and the Cavaliers...

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  7. fatman510

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    nice! thanks Tango... from the new graphs it is still very clear that the Rockets have in fact been the most consistent. It'd be interesting to see the graphs of the top tier Western Conference teams like Kings, Spurs, Lakers, T-Wolves and Mavs are.
     
  8. canoner2002

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    Tango, some very nice graphs.
    here is a question: do you think you can robustly predict how many wins these teams will end up with at the end of the season?
     
  9. Tango

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    canoner- I have no idea :)! I'm not a modeller per se but it might be interesting to try though. I mentioned a little bit earlier that really I was more interested in historicals to look over "improvement". Let me try and give it a first pass. You and others who have modelling and trending experience can take a look at it and see what you think how it might be improved.
     
  10. DearRock

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    Nolen, it is outlooks like yours that I cannot associate with. The rockets made a big mistake and it has cost us and will continue to cost us. I am not here to discuss how many things make those graphs jump up and down. I am sure there are many things but I remain confident that just this little minor thing, according to you, has had a major effect on this team and may still continue to bite us. It would not surprise me that at the time the error was made that you took a similar nonchalant approach to the team losing a most improved player candidate.

    The team has to do a better job of identifying and retaining talent. In fact my confidence in CD is at an all-time low. I am very nervous about this upcoming off-season.
     
  11. famicom

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    You can't really exactly predict how many wins are going to be at the end of the season. The graphs show the correlation of the wins to games played. There are other factors, such as the opponents the rest of the schedule, that can cause inaccurate predictions. Anyways, any team can go on a 6 game win streak and you can say that they're improving...nice graphs though!!
     

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