All DD is saying is the field is getting smaller...and it will get harder to trade Tmac with every passing hour. YES DM could have some spectacular deal lined up, and this whole Knicks thing is just out there. Hell...most of the deals that goes down this time are the ones that just pop out of nowhere... I hope to be surprised and happy tomorrow, but from what we know...I am a bit worried that we will be negotiating a buyout with Tmac soon.
If you don't hold my opinion etc to have any value, fine, why post in this thread? All of us have life experiences which shape the way we view things, maybe you have some more experience in deal making that gives you a different perspective. Feel free to share it....people can take it for what it is worth. The value of the opinion is in the eyes of the reader, if they value it, fine, if not, fine.... This is an internet fan site, we are all here for the same reasons....if you don't agree or value the opinion.......ok, thanks for posting. DD
Whatever happened to being civil? The OP is obviously venting his frustrations. If it's truly a waste of time, why post instead of acting like a jerk?
When does the trade deadline expire and has anyone in here been privy to GM on GM phone conversations about what was proposed between opposing teams? I am of the opinion that you hold out to the bitter end until you get what you were originally after, if not then nothing lost.
Good post that I think more people will agree with than will admit it. I'm not sure what deals were there and what deals were just rumors but it will look bad on Morey if the Rockets still have McGrady while everyone else made their moves. Again, I'm just a fan who isn't privy to all the info here but I do remember Morey said there was a very good chance McGrady would be moved so if he is still here tomorrow afternoon it's because Morey didn't accomplish what he thought he could. Not getting an impact player and choosing to make a deal(s) for the future I can understand. Not getting anything done while potential trade partners wheel and deal is not what I would consider successful. Again, this is based on Morey himself repeating over the last few months that the Rockets would more than likely make a deal. I guess we'll find out soon....
This team isn't winning it all this year, regardless of either deal we could have made. So I really don't have a huge problem with not being tied to a bad contract next season and having money to get another player
I am not actually frustrated, just pointing out what this looks like from the outside to me. I do find it funny that people are jumping to the conclusion that there is malice in my words, far from it. I just hope the team is not left holding the bag, by being too greedy. Either way, as I said.......I will happily eat my words if a fair trade goes down. I believe Morey is a great GM, and hope he is not a guy addicted to the "screw the other guy" deals. Just my .02. DD
Morey has had a good track record so far, but there isn't a single general manager that is perfect. We don't know which trade was being offered to Houston or which one Morey was going for. All we know is that DM has been working hard. He may have made the mistake of leaving the best offer on the table. We shall see tomorrow!
I know in some sports, even after the deadline you can get trades in somehow. I hope its not like that in the NBA because I can't take it.
I think if Morey had got what he was originally after, then he would have pulled the trigger already.
I just don't know that morey can close a big deal. I think he can move some small contracts and the lowry type of deals, but i don't think he can do a big deal or at least he hasn't shown he can. I also agree that waiting till the last minute isn't always the best idea either or trying to screw people. Its a well known fact thorn has to feel like he gets the better deal. Its also known now how much morey overvalues rockets players. I guess we will have to wait and see, but we've seen cleveland and portland make a couple of deals pretty quick and got what they wanted.
He may not have know what he was after. I think he was just casting and reeling trying to see how big the largest fish he could reel in would be.
Sometimes you ask for too much though and other teams move on and take their next best deal. Anyway, what I find extremely humorous is that this thread has more votes than any other thread on the front page (even more than Jeff's EXCELLENT one), most of them clearly negative, and that is amusing, as this was not meant to incite but rather to just give my perspective, nothing more. I have no more inside info than anyone else, just putting in my .02 from the outside and I get blasted for it. Can't win for losing.....lol. DD
But DD, we don't know the actual deals that were proposed. If by the end of tomorrow we still have TMac on the team, then all that means is that Morey didn't find an offer he liked. From the "outside perspective" that you and I have, we can basically conclude that Morey turned down the options of trading (frameworks) TMac for Iggy/Dalembert or a Chicago package or Butler/Haywood. How do any of those trades put the Rockets in a position to win in the future? The only one that may have helped was the Butler trade, since we wouldn't be tied down to bad contracts, but Washington probably wanted a young asset as well.
Does anyone have the feeling that Morey is going after Kevin Martin now? There were rumors of a Kevin Martin for Ray Allen trade. So maybe we are trying to negotiate a T-Mac for Martin trade. Just my 2 cents.
I don't know it seems when accreddited national media types talk about deals, they probably know something. I tend to believe they are getting info from somewhere..... Oh well, as you said, we shall see. DD
Of course we don't know the details of each potential trade we could have pulled the trigger on, but based off of what's been going on in the media (we can choose to believe the stories or not), we went from Iguodala/Dalembert or Kevin Martin/ Fillers (both deals are now reportedly off the table, Martin may have never really been on the table in the first place) to Caron Butler/ Haywood (We were close, but Dallas pulled the trigger instead) to Jordan Hill/ Picks/ Filler (NY seems to be holding their ground and pulling stuff off the table as other people are making deals or losing interest) to Tyrus Thomas/ Brad Miller/ Filler (Bulls are similar to the Knicks in their strategy and appear to be losing interest) to Some garbage Kings/Bulls 3-way deal where we are taking back long contracts (luckily this deal was obviously false with Salmons having been traded). As time has passed I have gotten more and more sad about the deadline, and agree with DD that it seems to be getting bleaker every hour. However, I also agree with the peanut gallery saying that we should wait until after 3 tomorrow where we can analyze until the cows come home. However, I have a feeling that no matter what we do, the decision will be seen as great and people will say that "we never really knew what was on the table and I'm sure this is the best thing we could have done". Morey's decision will be infallible no matter what because we'll never really know how he "played it" without knowing what he passed on. If Iggy/Martin/Butler were available to us, at what time, and for how much are questions that may never be answered. ugh...
I don't know about some of you but when I go to an auction I don't bid an item up that I'm interested in. The smart way to get what you want at a dirt cheap price and to keep from over paying for something is to swoop in at the end and by not bidding that item up. Some of these GM's are the same way. If you wait not only do you get a desperate seller but you also weed out the other buyers. Trust me Morey is doing the right thing even though I want him to hurry his ass up. :grin:
