You don't understand. Laws matter for them. Laws don't matter for us. You, like an overwhelming number of Americans, are not one of us even if you voted for us and wear a red cap. You are one of them.
Article I, Section 9, Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. Habeus Corpus is the foundation of everything. The state must appear before a court to justify the arrest of someone. This was confirmed in Ex parte Milligan. Subsequent decisions have held that the Writ cannot be invalidated in cases of rebellion or invasion, but only delayed--a suspension, not a revocation. If they can disappear one, they can disappear anyone. It's a fundamental concept of freedom and the Constitution.
More intolerance for opposing viewpoints: Movie theater in Miami Beach faces eviction after showing documentary 'No Other Land' : NPR Ironically, the same movie is facing backlash from BDS activists as well because Israelis were involved in making the film.
I love how the West have basically policed people who speak Arabic natively being able to express words like "resistance" and "struggle" in their native tongue without accusations of wanting to murder innocent humans. An Arabic person literally has to tip toe around their native language with basic words to express humanity like "resistance".
Maybe they should have thought about that when they called blowing up cafes Intifada (to shake off, resistance), or the rape and murder of innocent people Jihad (to strive or struggle). Because they chose to use those terms in those circumstances, then of course people are going to make those associations. It wasn't the west that called a campaign of suicide bombings in Israel the resistance. We called it terrorism. When you call Intifada what we call terrorism, then Intifada comes to mean terrorism. To then have people who have been supporting the actors engaging in said terrorism all along call for more Intifada, it is asking a bit much to have people think they aren't talking about the terrorism this time, they just mean a resistance, like boycotting or doing a sit in. Your issue is a problem that the Arab Muslims have created for themselves. Lebensraum literally just means living space. If you see people at rallies calling for more lebensraum, it is fair to associate them with Nazism. It isn't unfair to German speakers to police them using the term for living space in their native tongue, because it was a problem of their own making.
Nah. Policing the ability of an entire ethnicity to not be able say basic words like "resistance" in their native tongue isn't something you can blame the victims here which is the ethnicity that has their language stripped through dehumanization. It's he people like you doing dehumanization. Ivet existed on this planet with you and even was an active participant in "the war on terror" as a Marine grunt so all these assertions of suicide bombings, barbarism etc are nothing new to me. Every oppressed group of humans have had these claims thrown at them. You are no different. Let's be frank here. You are exactly the type of person who if they existed on the 1700s or 1800s would defend the institution of slavery by pointing to violent slave revolts that included atrocities like rape. Brah we worship landed gentry men who owned slaves who murdered civilians because they thought they were taxed unfairly. Have some.god dam self awareness with the people you worship. The founding fathers had pettier reasons for armed conflict than Gazans.
This is just assuming all people of a particular ethnicity must have the same views when it comes to using violence as a form of resistance, which is not true. Intifada encompasses many forms of resistance, both peaceful and violent. Basic problem here is there isn’t a desire to actually try to understand what people on the other side believes. People are very comfortable with just taking for granted that they must be awful people and assuming the worst in anything they say or do.
Since I don't consider Hamas the victims, I guess I don't really need to worry about it. They aren't assertions of suicide bombings, that is what actually happened. You can pretend that I am making it up from whole cloth, but I am not. Being the "oppressed group" doesn't absolve someone of moral responsibility. No, I would support going after people who engaged in a violent slave revolt that included atrocities like rape, because any decent person should. You should also support the abolition of slavery. The Revolution was largely fought against professional British soldiers. Hamas would be looked on far more kindly if they focused more on fighting the IDF and less on killing innocent people, taking innocent people hostage, etc. I'm sorry that you take no issue with the barbarism of Hamas, but I don't have to agree with you. Terrorism is bad, m'kay? It isn't assuming anything or taking anything for granted. The PLO had a terrorist campaign and they called it the Intifada. As such, Intifada was associated with terrorism. Now, if you are talking about the Palestinian struggle against Israel and call it an Intifada, the association has already been made that you are talking about terrorism. Maybe when you use it, you really mean divestment, but there is a perfectly good word for that that hasn't been associated with terrorism. The word Intifada has been ruined when talking about the Israel/Palestine issue. Just like you can't use the term Lebensraum without it being associated with Nazism. Maybe someone really means they want houses built with more square footage, but that isn't what people associate with the term. @fchowd0311 (who I was responding to) isn't even denying that it is associated with violence, he supports the violence and compares Hamas to George Washington. To a communist, there is no right or wrong behavior, there are right or wrong people. If you are on the good side (the "oppressed"), then anything goes. If you are on the bad side (the "oppressors"), whatever you do is wrong. Everything is power dynamics.
Many people in Hamas are victims who have been radicalized. Dehumanization is believing that a group of people can only be motivated into anger and hate through an intrinsic barbarism rather than having their neighborhood leveled and then a IDF infantry platoon walk by and spay paint the Star of David on their rubbled home. And a pedophile who raped children is more than likely to be a white male if you live in the US. The concept of bombing civilians has no ethnic or religious borders. It also doesn't help that Americas addiction to fighting commies meant the CIA literally created education curriculum coined "Jihad math" in regions like Afghanistan where stuff like ordinary math word problems were framed in a radical islamic revolutionary manner "A" Is for Allah, "J" Is for Jihad on JSTOR https://www.jstor.org/stable/40209794 But hey we had to fight commies. The Middle East had a rather strong secular leftist movement but man the commodities and resources in that region... American capital needed it and at a discounted price so we can't have secular leftists running **** there. They don't like foreign capital extracting their resources. So we need to radicalize some Muslims into fighting commies. But hey those radical Muslims now realized the same thing those secular leftists did... The western hegomony is out for resource and labor extraction of their region. But the commies needed to be defeated. Anyways dude I understand I'm debating a brick wall of vapid emptiness in that head of yours. You are stuck in the early aughts fighting the war on terror still even though you did it from your coach but keep on charging warrior. Also you give insight to how you perceive conversations by replying to single lines at a time. It shows an inability to contextualize entire arguments and premises in good faith.
When I hear “Intifada”, I think of two “campaigns” — the first Intifada and then the follow up second Intifada. While terrorism was a prominent tactic of the second Intifada, the first one was primarily protests , boycotts, and rock throwing at IDF soldiers. I don’t consider that terrorism for a population living under stifling military occupation. Again, I think you take for granted that anyone saying “globalize the Intifada” must be calling for terrorism, when the term historically had a much more broad meaning. You seem inclined to associate it primarily with the most violent historical elements (like the suicide bombing of the second Intifada). If instead they said “resistance” (which in English is not limited to and may not be even referring to violent means), I wonder if you’d have the same view on it. Given the baggage of the term, I do think activists who are genuinely committed to peaceful resistance should make that part explicit when speaking of “Intifada”. Of course, people nowadays (especially social media) are experts at selectively parsing the bits that fit their narrative.
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No one really cares about the first Intifada though, and the second Intifada was the one that brought the term into the cultural zeitgeist. You are completely missing my point. I don't take for granted that they are calling for terrorism. I am saying that using the term conjures images of terrorism, because that is what the word is associated with. I am in fact saying that they should just use terms that mean non-violent resistance (I even gave you the example of divestment), when that is what they mean. They know what they are doing, and so they use a term that could be divestment, but could also mean terrorism. It is called plausible deniability. Just don't use the term Intifada at all. @basso gave you another perfect example of a term that has been sullied beyond redemption (final solution). Most people who are victims never become terrorists. As such, I don't excuse those who do, and when they commit acts of barbarism, I don't consider them the victims. You mistake me. I don't think their is some genetic inherent barbarism that causes Hamas to behave in the way they do, I just don't care about their motivations for committing acts of barbarism. Who said anything about the most common race of pedophiles or that bombing civilians is based on borders or ethnicity. Nice straw man. I'm pretty happy that the US defeated communism and the Soviet Union in particular. Tens of millions of dead and people still think Communism is the bee's knees. I'm sure all those kids at the Nova festival were really extracting tons of resources and labor. Yes, they did. I'm sorry your arguments are pathetic and ineffective. Maybe one day your glorious communist revolution will come to America and you and your buddies can put me against the wall. Being opposed to targeted attacks on unarmed civilians with a lil' rape thrown in knows no decade. I like to make it as clear as possible what parts of my responses are directed to what parts of the posts I am responding to.
You typed nothing here. Master of typing words and not engaging with the actual conversation. "I'm against killing civilians". This moral line is expressed by everyone here. Everyone here debating at face value will tell you this is what they believe but then you defend an entity that drops 2000 lb ordinance on some of the most dense populations on the planet and actively root for it. "Victims" of state oppression and military occupation often do lash out in violence. This ubiquitous throughout history. Again you celebrate landed gentry men who lived comfortable lives with the help of their owned slaves committing violence because of "unfair representation in taxes" even though their king almost made the British empire go bankrupt by funding these men's territorial expansion in the colonies when fighting against the French and Natives. Very entitled humans. And you celebrate that. But God forbid a group of humans who are stateless who are under military tribunals where "taxation without representation" is like 30th down their list of harm done to them lash out in violence.
