Yep. Why am I thinking about "A Tale of Two Cities"? The aristocracy effed the poor over hard and they rose up. But the poor wanted their pound(s) of flesh and went too far. So it often is with power. When the shoe is on the other foot, that foot kicks, stomps.
In this podcast, both Finkelstein and Rabbani argue that, in the context of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories, it is legitimate for Hamas to target Israeli military or government forces as a form of resistance. However, they both emphasize that targeting civilians is not justified. They condemned the atrocities at the music festival, including rape and murder, as acts that should never be excused, regardless of the broader conflict. While condemning the violence, they expressed skepticism about Israel’s findings, suggesting that reports of such atrocities might be part of a broader narrative pushed by the Israeli government. Transcript for Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris | Lex Fridman Podcast #418 - Lex Fridman
What kind of dimbass engages in activities like this with a green card I don’t feel that bad for him that being said, he is entitled to due to process and can’t be deported just like this.
Yo misunderstand me, I’m talking from an optics perspective. There is clearly a strong bias when it comes to what* you protest, if he held a green card this was a stupid thing to do. it’s also completely illegal and a stain on the first amendment to deport someone without due process for what looks like protesting
Finkelstein went off on “Destiny” in that podcast. Whatever one might think of Finkelstein’s political views, that part was pretty entertaining.
I appreciate your defense of free speech here, but I have to disagree that everyone who expresses “support” for Hamas or for their October 7th narrative is secretly of the belief that Israelis deserved to be murdered and raped. They may go to great lengths to convince themselves that such things didn’t happen and it’s all Israeli propaganda, but we see this sort of willful ignorance and ideological blindness all the time in political conflicts.
According the White House he did not do anything illegal. He just spoke out against Israel. Anti-Israel is now illegal? The reason you do this is to scare people from speaking out. Trump hates people saying negative things about him. This is just a precursor to allow him to round people up who speak up about him as aAntiamerican. Good times.
If being against Hamas is crazy, I don't want to be sane. If these things happened they would be inexcusable, so let's pretend they didn't happen. You cannot condemn atrocities that occured and then say, but hey, maybe they didn't occur after all. If you do, your condemnation is meaningless. One of these two groups is lying. Either Israel is lying and Hamas didn't attack the music festival and rape and murder innocent people, or Hamas is lying and they did. The "reasons to doubt" Israel are that they didn't allow some international body to access the broken corpses of hundreds of murdered innocent people. The "reasons to doubt" Hamas is lying is that if they are, no one would ever support them. There is zero evidence to support the Hamas narrative. There is substantial evidence to support the Israeli narrative. I have not seen a single person that supports the Hamas narrative that was not already anti-Israel and pro-Palestine before 10/7. To me it is like the Holocaust deniers. They say they don't believe that the Nazis, while losing a war, would go through all the effort in terms of cost and logisitics to continue the murder of Jews (and homosexuals, Catholics, etc.) Their denials are just as accurate and just as sincere as those denying Hamas atrocities, and should be given the same weight (zero).
FDR ate the rich (his own kind) to the extent where there was a conspiracy theory of biz leaders planning to overthrow him and replace him with a general. It'll take a young bernie type that Dem leadership will try to unsuccessfully bury. He/she has to survive his own trying to eat him and take each other's flesh in the process. Trump gave everyone a blueprint to use. Capture the sources of info that appeal to a specific base. Spend hours listening to their grievances that aren't aired in the public domain. Overpromise and over defend their slights to cement trust and discredit opposition. Consider everything zero-sum, where pain of the other side can take place of real victories...this shows "strength" and "resolve." Blue collar workers are considered a silent voting block that could also be lumped into mid-america or flyover material. Massive jerb hemmorages in AI will create a new unemployment class of overly qualified and above intelligent people without any form of stability or loyalty. Even being a newly minted Harvard MBA grad won't guarantee you a jerb now, as 25% are still looking. Smart types won't all be willing to be the front line soldiers, but they know how to organize and spread info much better than Patriots who want to ransack the capitol building because they thought it was what freedom lovers do. The demogogue will need to repaint some ghastly end-game Capitalism narrative that borrows from Marx but reshift a new narrative that's acceptable within the Corporate American mindset. This end of times narrative would be similar to what's painted in crypto Scriptures, but appear fresh and new in order to make the candidate look like the Prophet who called it and where Only They Alone Can Solve It. Do we really need Robot workers to beat China when China is going through their own worker related BS? Do we need chatbots hollowing out jobs that they can't reliably pull off right-here and right-now? Dems have been stroking off Silicon and Wall Street interests for so long they didn't even realize the amount of billionaires minted in their time while losing respect/credibility as the party of the people. It's a hollowed out joke where they felt satisfaction for Keeping the Lights On while middle to poorer classes began feeling disempowered and more reliant on outside sources like family, welfare, and charity to survive the day to day grind. The sentiment of government distrust and The Man being the problem more than the solution is a half-century of organized narratives and deliberate agency missteps when Republicans were in power. The reset of the Democratic Party will only happen when the current leaders give up control willingly or not. I'm not saying Good Times will come because it'll take die hard crazies with nothing to lose to add numbers, but the process is there.
Doubting Israel’s account doesn’t mean the events didn’t happen, nor does it mean they happened exactly as claimed. It simply means they could have happened differently or to a different degree, which is what Finkelstein and Rabbani argued in the podcast. Independent investigations are always more trustworthy, especially in conflict zones where propaganda and misinformation are common. This isn’t a black-or-white issue. If you truly care about the truth, you should want verification rather than insisting one side’s claims must be accepted without question. There has been some independent verification, including from the UN, confirming that rape and murder did occur. However, the scale and nature of these crimes, particularly whether sexual violence was widespread or more isolated, remain debated. Finkelstein and Rabbani were right to question whether reports of widespread rape were fully verified and to suggest that more independent investigation was needed. Also, IIRC, you yourself have cast doubt on certain aspects of January 6th. Were you "denying" those events, or were you just applying scrutiny?
It was. It was also a microcosm of expertise vs. novice internet warriors. In today's social media society, I don’t think either of them came out on top, TBH.
Whoa, that's factually incorrect. He's a green card holder, not here on a visitor visa. A green card holder has been granted permission to live and work permanently in the U.S. A visitor visa is for temporary stays. @JuanValdez, listen to him carefully and hear the extremely dangerous rhetoric here. He's basically making the argument that everyone here, including those who have obtained citizenship, can be treated as if they are on visitor visa status.
Yes, the logic of his argument could be extended to apply to naturalized citizens. They don’t have a “right” to that citizenship. It is a privilege offered by our US legal process, and it can be retroactively revoked if they say or do something that would have denied them entrance to the US to begin with. If foreign born residents feel they can not speak freely on political topics of importance to them, out of fear of being arrested by ICE, we’ve lost the plot of why free speech matters in the first place.
