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The Arrest of Mahmoud Khalil

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by JuanValdez, Mar 10, 2025.

  1. Andre0087

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    Under this administration that's bullshit and you know it. Provide an example before spewing gibberish next time...
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Then blame Israel for not providing forensic evidence to independent medical experts and coroners.


    We can't make claims based off "vibes".

    Edit: there is also already enough independent evidence to charge Hamas leaders with war crimes.thar have nothing to do with sexual violence.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    But what if he organized in support of Isreal that endangered public safety. . . . . .. .

    Rocket River
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Also I need to say this.

    If someone feels that right now Jewish students in American universities are more fearful for their safety than Muslim, Arab, Palestinian students in American colleges, you need to readjust your paradigm.

    Muslim college students right now are fearing being detained by fascist paramilitary units like ICE sanctioned by the state. That is true fear.
     
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  5. Nook

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    What no one is discussing is that this is going to set precedence for future administrations.

    Right now, this is being defended by some - but the shoe will be on the other foot.

    If the economy goes south - there is a real chance that there will be a real left populist in power and this will result in some interesting uses.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    Any display of MAGA paraphernalia is a support for
    terrorism.
     
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    doubt it…Democrats wouldn’t go to this length
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Honestly a large part of fascist confidence in not having this **** swing back at them is how feckless the Democrat neo-liberal establishment is.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Not in recent history but historically they have.

    What it means to be a democrat can and likely will fundamentally change if the economy is bad for any real period of time.

    This is all headed towards some strange bed fellows, likely with class warfare being a strong component of all of this.... you say that the Democrats will not go to the extreme because in your lifetime you have seen Carter, Clinton and Obama and Biden..... look at FDR and you will see that a quasi populist on the left will go farther than a lot of people think.

    All it takes is the right social conditions - you have dissatisfied Americans under 35, many of them white --- you have a strong divide between the ultra rich and everyone else --- you have a current administration actively attempting to increase that disconnect with tax cuts.... you have the seeds of disrupting or tearing down institutions being normalized (right now it is for what Trump wants but that works both ways).... you have billionaires taking active parts in the government.... a President being very active and loud about doing things to impact the economy like tarrifs, threats to other nations and changing the tax structure........... if this all doesn't work well, it is the PERFECT conditions for a left-wing populist to emerge and exercise extreme power based on precedence.... you say Democrats won't go to these lengths, but I am not talking about a traditional democrat - I am talking about someone that will dictate what the Democrats do based on his power and influence.

    We had FDR already when things got dicey before - and the pieces are already being put in motion. We live in very volatile times.
     
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  10. Nook

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    It absolutely is -but they are failing to realize that out of chaos (which we have had since 9/11) comes volatility and if there is economic struggles we will see more extreme and unusual leaders emerge. If I told you Donald Trump would be President or do what he has done a decade ago, you would have laughed at me.
     
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  11. Reeko

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    FDR was after 1 of the worst economic periods in American history, and he wasn’t an extremist who ripped up the Constitution…he did not dismantle institutions

    what u are talking about is not in the realm of doing things like jailing and trying to deport a green card holder because of campus protests…just because right wingers are ok with this sort of craziness doesn’t mean Democrats would go along with 1 of their own doing similar

    this might lead to someone running as a Democrat that will be able to bring about a policy shift centered around helping the working class, but not some left wing cult leader that will destroy the fabric of this country as Democrats cheer it on

    Republicans underwent decades of lies and propaganda that allowed the party to be taken over by somebody like Trump
     
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  12. astros123

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    Real left populist? Have you been paying attention to the left as of late? Theyre more focused on culture war issues like Trans people than wealth inequality. The far left threw away all their political capital during the past 4 years. The far left is in shambles and they're too busy defending Russia and rooting for Hamas.

    The far left is in shambles
     
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    Not very libertarian of you.
     
  14. Reeko

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    no Democrat would get away with what Trump is doing…they do not have the sort of media apparatus that would do endless propaganda for them or a base full of mindless drones

    there couldn’t be a democratic version of Trump

    a lot of MAGAts don’t even know what Trump is doing or are fed an alternate reality

    MAGAts lose the 2020 election and then storm the Capitol based off lies from dear leader…Democrats lose the 2024 election and just accept it

    there is a fundamental difference between the 2 that isn’t changing any time soon
     
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    unlike Hamas, Israel is not a designated terrorist group.
     
  17. Amiga

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    There is some contradiction here (among those on the right who support this fascist movement).

    The "left is vile and evil", so, yes, they will destroy MAGA and deport everyone who supports them (and the IDF).

    But perhaps there is a naive assumption that power won't ever swing back.
     
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  18. Amiga

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    I wish people understood history better.
     
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  19. StupidMoniker

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    Of course, he isn't going to admit that he is in favor of rape and murder of a music festival, he will just pretend that he doesn't believe it happened and that it is all made up by the evil, scheming joos to cover for their "genocide" of the Palestinians. Everyone knows it is a load of crap, but as long as they can say that there were no people in Hamas uniforms filmed raping and murdering people at the music festival or rape kits performed on the broken and bloody bodies of teenagers and young women left at the scene, that the testimony of witnesses is insufficient to establish their guilt. Surely the noble Hamas fighters would never lie, they clearly limited themselves to attacks on military targets and treated the civilian population with kindness. It must have been the IDF or secret Fatah infiltrators that killed all those civilians, right? They aren't chanting We Are All Hamas or globalize the Intifada because they don't think the atrocities of October 7th were committed, they are doing it because they believe that the Israelis deserved it (they are settler colonialists, after all). They should be free to do that, but let there be no doubt why other people find it repugnant.
     
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  20. Andre0087

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    There you go, let it all out...that's the insane libertarian I know and hate.
     

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