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The Answer is: TMAC

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lonestar, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. deeperblue

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    I know more than a lick about basketball.

    A quitter is no better than chicken rib. Period. He may come back strong for sometime, but when it becomes really tough, he is likely to quit again. That's worse than playing without him.



     
  2. Nitro1118

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    Considering T-Mac is shooting the 3rd best on the team for anyone with over 150FGA's...
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I'm surprised that you would go after tmac as a "quitter" but not even mention Bonzi Wells.

    again, just appears more and more that you have some other agenda going on there.
     
  4. Ducky

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    T-Mac is not a selfish player, everybody agrees.

    BUT:

    please be noticed:

    so far in this season, how many wins do we have when T-mac got 6 assists or more, and how many wins do we have when he got less than 4 assists?

    PS:

    this season, so far, in 25 games with T-mac, 13-12

    in all 12 wins, T-mac averaged 6 assists, while in 12 losses he got 4 asssits per game.


    Tmac's shoots in a game:

    <15: 1-5
    15-20: 6-3
    >20: 6-4
     
  5. Nitro1118

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    To add onto that...

    In wins, T-Mac averages 6MPG more to go along with 7PPG more and 7% better shooting.
     
  6. l3igballer23

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    its not just about passing to open teammates ... its more about him dominating the ball for 15 seconds of the shot clock then throwing up a 18 foot fadeaway when he can't find anyone open.. also its more about him working to get a shot without the ball in his hands... swinging the ball around.... making more then just one pass... making that extra pass... not always looking for the bail out guy when he gets in a jam... and most importantly working the offense through yao and not himself :eek: :eek:
     
  7. l3igballer23

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    I agree 100 percent ... its not just about passing to the open teammate ... people have to see the grayscale like some of us ... its not always just black and white
     
  8. Outlier

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    Right because having 50+ win seasons is so much success. Fact is, T-Mac in the equation doesn't give us good results. Are we going to keep hoping every season we get better? The team right now looks pretty damn good and we still lose. It's because of this so called superstar who is a pansy and isn't a winner. Once a loser, always a loser. Bottomline, we need to change it up until we find the right mix. There's no way but down right now for this team because it's being led by the wrong guy and noone will really believe it until 5 years later when T-Mac is retired and we didn't win anything. I'll be there to say "I TOLD YOU SO".
     
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    Well,I see a lot of you argue about T-mac,some support him,others in the contrary.However,if we think more,are there any problems of the coach?
     
  10. deeperblue

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    Bonzi Wells is not a paid as super star and no one looks up to him as the leader of this team. It is fine to have a looser or quiter on a team, as long as you don't have too many, and the most important thing is, you shouldn't have a quitter and looser as your leader.

     
  11. deeperblue

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    Ginobli can't create off the dribble? Are you kidding? Isn't driving to the hoop part of creating off the dribble?

    What if he can't get to the rim? Then what happens if T-Mac can't hit a contested jumper shot and he just jack it up one after another?

    T-Mac takes over the game? Don't live in the dream, man. Where was he when his team needed him most for taking over the dream when Orlando were 3-1 in playoff and still lost the series, where was he when Rockets were 2-0 and finally lost the series in two years? Why didn't he take over the game?



     
  12. Almu

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    Ah...

    If only T-Mac was 25% of the player Dream was, you, sir, would actually be on to something.
     
  13. mlwoo

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    He does not fit into the offense. He slows it down. All he does is want to run pick and rolls. When Rafer brings the ball down the court when Tracy is out, he tries to penetrate and we get layups. When Tracy is in, Rafer's role is to dribble down and give the ball to Tracy. Tracy palms the ball and holds it behind him, wasting 5 seconds. Tracy dribbles, wasting 7 seconds. Tracy shoots some r****ded juumper, which wastes an entire possession. He does not fit the system. He is a great player and can beat anyone man to man, but he does NOT fit in.

    What good attitude? That's r****ded.
     
  14. leebigez

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    I guess I still don't understand. I do agree that the rox should have beat utah. I guess the case can be made for beating dallas also.but rewind a little. the last 2 games against uath, tracy was either the leading assist man or rebounder. In fact he almost had a triple double. since he's been a star in this league which was the the 1st yr in the league, has anyone ever noticed his team has never been the higher seed? Those Oralndo teams had no business even in the playoffs more less winning. I mean when doleac and garrity are ur starters, please. I wonder why no one evr brings it up about yao not making it out of the 1st rd? I mean the lost to lakers in 4, the lost to dallas in which he and mcgrady missed ft's in the 4th qt, and last yr he had 12 rebs total in the last 2games and didn't avg 1blks a game. There is enough blame to go around, but trading tracy for mario who does nothing in the playoffs or crawford who is really scrubbish, is really foolish. I'm just saying that the rox are a better team this yr, next yr, and the yr after with mcgrady. If that doesn't work then, at least they have 20m in cap room to go after lebron,carmello,wade, or bosh. u still have to look big picture and to me 2nd rd isn't the goal. The championship is the goal.
     
  15. Astockmarketgod

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    TRADE THE LOSER...

    11 years and counting.... must suck to be a MCldy nut hugger

    all this talk about talent... well show us it... show us you are a leader...
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Well, now we can't have everything....

    :D

    DD
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

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    having talent and being a leader don't have to go together.

    Tmac has the talent. He doesnt seem to be a "leader", which isnt necessarily a bad thing, unless there is no one else to lead...which there isnt.
     
  18. earth

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    FGMA for Tmac is 214-487 this season, He got 569 pts, the efficiency=569/487=1.16. Consider he keeps the ball very long.....

    Before your reply this message, PLEASE go to find the stats of the leading scorers of other teams. He can not shoot that much,keeping the ball in his hand for so long.
     
  19. Astockmarketgod

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    please he has always....wanted to be a leader... thats why he left Toronto...

    ...he could have stayed and had cousin Vince... be the leader of the team... but he left becuase he wanted to be the MAN....
     
  20. bingfei236

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    all ur opinions are base on "if" our shooter can shoot the ball which sadly we don't.




     

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