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The Answer is: TMAC

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lonestar, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. deeperblue

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    I don't see how your question is related to the topic.

    A Mr $20M quit the games multiple times when the team fall behind big. Chicken rib type of player. Period. I just have zero respect for mentally soft guys.


     
  2. ibm

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    that is not true.
     
  3. Nitro1118

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    ...like? The Rockets' 3 biggest problems without T-Mac are-

    1) When the offense stagnates, they have no one to score. Yao gets fronted so he cannot even get the ball, Bonzi cannot hit jumpers and gets TO prone when he forces it into the paint, Rafer is Rafer, etc.. As seen MANY times, even this season, T-Mac can take over a game when his team is playing like crap and keep them competitive (best example, even though it was a loss, was when T-Mac dropped 28pts in the 2nd half against the Kings). The best teams in the league have players who, when your team is struggling, you can simply give them the ball anywhere and tell them to make it happen. No $10M player will give you that kind of ability. Suns have Nash, Mavs have Dirk, Spurs have Duncan, Boston has KG/Pierce/Allen, Detroit has Billups...the best teams in the league have those special players that can take over, and the lower tier teams usually don't.

    2) When Yao leaves the game, no one attracts enough defensive attention to make the off ball movement work. When T-Mac plays, no perimiter players outside of Kobe/Bron/Wade attract as much defensive attention as T-Mac.

    3) They lose their best ballhandler and playmaker. You will not find a $10M dollar player that offers the kind of ballhandling and playmaking that T-Mac offers without completely sucking in many other areas, thus successfully getting a Rafer Alston with a higher salary.


    Basically, unless you are getting another superstar for T-Mac, there is no sense in trading T-Mac as he offers this team things that no group of role players will give you. It is a star driven league, and T-Mac is one of the best of the bunch.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    When someone calls one of the best of the best at their profession a "chicken rib without much meat or taste", it makes one question the credentials of the person making the statement.

    It's like someone who has never tasted chicken talking about how this particular piece has no taste.

    Just an observation you might find helpful.
     
  5. deeperblue

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    I play enough to be a basketball fan.

    Best of the best? It is an insult to the phrase "best of the best" when it is used on him.

     
  6. Nitro1118

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    Reply to my post, please, #83.
     
  7. deeperblue

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    GM needs to work it out. Problem is, few team will be willing to take an injury prone star, who often quit when it is getting hard.

    So we are probably stuck here with him.

     
  8. tmac&Yao

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    Wish he can konw how to make us play more reasonable!


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  9. LCII

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    well thanks for pointing out the obvious, that wasn't the main point of my post, was it?

    I mean every championship team has a leader/leaders.
     
  10. deeperblue

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    Jazz's Williams, Spurs' Ginobili, they are all cheaper than T-Mac, right?

    But I guess they won't trade them for T-Mac.

     
  11. Outlier

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    T-Mac isn't helping us win, man. What don't you understand? He needs to be traded even if it gets us only a couple role-players. This team needs more balance and balance can win in the playoffs (see Detroit Pistons). It doesn't have to be a superstar game. We already have one anyway (just have faith in Yao Ming).
     
  12. aaaccchhhooo

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    the thing is, half the people on this board puts the ROCKETS as a TEAM first, and the other half puts McLady as a player first because they are fans of him.......look, Mclady is a great player with a lot of talent but he is damaged goods... the thing that is best for the Rockets if we gonna go anywhere is trade him for a player who drives to the basket and get layups or get fouls, espeically at the last minutes of games, Mclady just don't do that anymore...he's afraid that he's gonna get hurt and he is actually injured right now because he was driving to the hoop and got hurt ....I don't get why people say he's our "closer" but if you really think about it, he's actually the one that take boneheaded jump shots at the end of the game, when right now, rafer and AB, they drive into the lane and teardrop it in or layups...I, and whoever agree with me are a ROCKETS fan first, and thus trading Mclady is the right thing right now, look, if 5 to 10 years down the road, if Yao was damage goods or not the right fit for the team, i would say trade him too...sometime you just need to move on, and if we do trade him I wish him the best.....have you guys watched highilights of him during his early years in orlando ? wow....how times have changed
     
  13. Nitro1118

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    Williams is still on his rookie contract I believe. He will be getting his $15-20 million soon enough. They would never trade away a top tier PG who will only get better and is perfect for the system he is playing in for T-Mac, no matter how great he is.

    As for Ginobli, he doesn't have to face the kind of defensive pressure and double teams that T-Mac has to every single night, and is not as proven as a #1 guy as T-Mac. He would not match the kind of production T-mac gives, and would not be as effective as T-Mac is. Besides, the Spurs would never do it as they have had so much success with Ginobli as the 3rd wheel on the Spurs.

    He isn't helping us win? The team has won 50+ games 2 of the last 3 seasons...the only 2 seasons with over 50 wins since the 96-97 season. He has not been the problem in either playoff series he has been in with the Rockets...in fact he has been pretty incredible (and please don't bring up game 7 against Utah...the team went 4-5 from the field and 3-3 from the line in final 4min...offense was NOT the problem in that series down the stretch).
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Anyone who compares T-mac to a used up chicken rib doesn't know a lick about basketball.

    I mean, geez, the thought of advocating trading t-mac BEFORE he even comes back and has a chance to play with the team as it's playing now, especially when he returns healthy is just completely incomprehensable.

    I think two things can be said about all these folks demanding a trade for t-mac for role-players.

    1. They know very little about basketball.
    2. For some reason, they hate the fact that there are two stars on this team.

    So which one is it?
     
  15. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I think it's clear the guy just wants t-mac traded. He's trade t-mac for Ryan Bowen and be happy. He doesn't care if it makes us a better or worse team, he just wants t-mac gone.

    My suspicious is that there are some fans who want Yao to have all the spotlight and for this to be "Yao's Team"......but I can't prove it.
     
  16. deeperblue

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    A Ginobli who can drive to the hoop as hard as he can will help the team a lot when the offense is having trouble.

    The purpose of me talking about Williams is that there are plenty players that can do better than T-Mac if we can get them.

    The problem is that they won't trade for T-Mac, because our Mr. $20M doesn't really worth $20M. This is the damage he has on us.

    Unless our GM can figure something great, we probably are stuck with T-Mac. And the trouble is, the longer you wait, the less trade value you will have with T-Mac.


     
  17. jajayao

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    Out of curiosity, are the people saying "TRADE TMAC" the same ones who were rooting to "PLAY FRANCHISE"?
     
  18. Nitro1118

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    You do know 73% of Ginobli's FGA are jumpshots to T-mac's 78%, right? Despite being only a 3rd option and playing next to a very good PG and one of the best passing big men in the league he only shoots .01% better. Give me T-mac over Ginobli anyday of the week. What will happen when Ginobli CAN'T get to the rim, like Bron couldn't against the Spurs in the Finals? He simply cannot create off the dribble and make the moves that T-mac can to take over the game without getting into the lane.

    Only a handful of players will give you the kind of production T-Mac gives you...25/6/5 annually is nothing to sneeze at. Very few players can take on the offensive burden T-Mac had last year and still lead the team to 50 wins (last year he led the league in usage rating).

    T-Mac is very tradable, but you just won't get a superstar for him, and you won't get great role players from a team that is a true contender.

    It's a good world when you consider it a negative being stuck with a 25/6/5 player (who is the 3rd leading scorer PPG wise in NBA playoff history) who has brought the team to 50+ wins 2 of the last 3 years with pretty average talent around him outside of Yao.
     
  19. earth

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    :confused:

    It's impossible for Tmac not taking pts away from other teammates, if he is high efficient and Rox can still run smoothly, it's alright. But.... :confused:
     
  20. deeperblue

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    No. I am not.
     

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