The Answer: FIRE MOREY

This is a good post. Why don't most people who keep saying "take a risk" take a cue from the mortgage-backed debt meltdown? RISKS ARE BAD. Sure you can hit the jackpot when you take a risk, but at the same time chances are you'll flop and set your franchise back 10 years.

DM does takes risks, but he does in a calculated manner. We saw that with the Artest trade, the Bosh campaign and the proposed Philly trade (huge contract+2nd pick). This year was another such gamble. It failed (duh). We can move on next year, or more precisely in 2012 after we use 2011 to rebuild the roster.

I understand MM's frustration with wanting to know what the plan is but I'm pretty sure even DM doesn't know, apart from the whole "trade assets for a superstar" stance they've always had. The point is DM has covered all his bases as best he could, and hopefully the fact that we can go in several directions after this season means we can take the best course of action when the time comes.

 

No risk = no reward. People who don't take risks settle for mediocrity. Our goal is a championship, not first round exits year after year. My feeling is the franchise need to take bigger ones. All in. No hesitation.

 

He is struggling for sure, never said all star this year, but I could see him taking over as starter for Shane by the end of the year.

He needs to hurry up though, he is really playing poorly.

He has time to turn it around though.

DD

 

The only one of those trades that carried a little risk would have been the trade for Lowry, b/c you were trading away a starter on a playoff team (even though Rafer was a weak link on that team). The other trades weren't risky.

 

Maybe it won't "die" because truth has a way of surviving.

Lowery, Lee and Kevin Martin are poster children for risk taking? That's a stretch. Lee was a salary dump for Ariza. Martin was some obscure $BALL stat about 4th quarter free throw attemps.

And the Rockets re-signed Lowery for MLE $. That's an MLE...that must be a huge example of a risk. Especially when Rafer Alston was the outgoing contract for Lowery.

Pretty pathetic examples of risk.

Artest was a one year low-risk / high reward rental. Everyone but you seems to understand this.

And you actually believe that Bosh had any interest in Houston? And if he did, TOR was interested in...what...? What assets that amounted to $17M would you possibly SnT Bosh for w TOR? C'mon....I'm listening...what are these great assets that TOR would drool over?

The Raps just took on Peja to dump $15m....what $15m are you sending them for Bosh? Jeffries and Teflon Shane?

The Rockets front office isn't about to make panic trades. About the only thing you've got right in your post. But it's not out of panic. It's out of the fact they are using a seperate talent valuation than 29 other teams.

And Carmelo? If and when, it woud be the same rental as Artest with a higher salary dump.

Do yourself a favor and read the thread with the article by John Hollinger. The Rockets are a perpetual #8 seed/14th Lottery seed.

 

you keep cherry picking between what you wrote above and this:

Originally Posted by DaDakota
The thing is the Rockets have so many young quality NBA players that are not even close to their peak, and when you add in a full training camp with Kevin Martin.

This team is LOADED !

DD

I suppose if you take both sides of an argument, you can never be wrong. You told me they were a championship contender. We discussed that a fair amount this summer.

 

I give you so much rep Max I feel like you should be paying me. In gum.



Who can forget the constant posts about how this team was a title contender and didn't need to gamble on a superstar like Carmelo and how we couldn't trade Brooks because he was so important to our title hopes.

LOL

"IT WASN'T ABOUT THIS YEAR IT WAS ABOUT THE FUTURE YEAR IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE FUTURE ROCKETS TEAM CONTENDS! THAT IS WHAT I MEANT!"

 

Morey should have been fired after he made the Battier trade. That was a red flag and should have been clear evidence that he was not competent to manage a team that wanted to win a championship.

That ship has sailed. As things stand now, the Rockets are a mediocre team and so there is probably no reason to replace Morey then. A mediocre GM is fitting for a mediocre team.

But he never should have been managing the team when it was trying to win a championship.

 

Max, the team is loaded, but they lost the one guy they could not afford to lose to injury in Brooks.

It is not both sides, I always said if Yao was healthy they could be contenders.....well...Yao is not healthy is he?

I did think the rest of the team would gel, but I also counted on Rick Adelman being a good coach and benching some of the talent and playing a regular 8-9 man rotation and not trying to play everyone.

This team is a mess because of :

1. Injuries.
2. The head coach trying to please all his players
3. The pieces not meshing as well as we thought.
4. The coach playing comfort players over more talented younger ones.

Just too much going on.....I am really dissappointed in Rick Adelman, he has coached long enough, but his leadership this year has been god awful....

Now, it falls on DM to actually do the MANAGER portion of his General MANAGER title and force the coach to play some players like Hill etc.....over old stalwarts like Hayes....

But, neither will change, and it won't happen and we the fans are stuck in the middle.


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Re; the future, I have been saying for 2 years, that the real plan of the team is going to be decided once Yao's contract is up, which is next year.

I was just hopeful that he could come back and play well this year.

Sue me for having hope....counselor....

And I am shocked that you can't seperate all that talk we had about contenders, where I clearly OUTLINED what had to happen to get there, and how it was based upon Yao's health and now you are trying to toss that back at me.

Weaksauce, my man...weaksauce....
DD

 

This team is a mess because the organization has zero direction and is living on the hope and prayer of:

1. a guy who always gets injured somehow contributing franchise-player caliber impact immediately after missing a full season from a massive surgery which provided for his foot being held together by pins; and

2. a trade of some of these role players who don't fit together; who you and others have seriously overrated; but who can't carry a team for a player who actually can. Honestly, I don't care that you overrated them....I do care that our management seems to have.

So we'll all sit and wait. And hope. And pay ridiculous ticket prices. And equate our GM to God. Maybe next year, right? After all, it's been the strategy apparently FOR YEARS. It's clearly working sooo well!!!

 

Yes, I agree, have said as much, remember I said what choice do we have but to hope it works out? Well......

I don't overate them, I just know that there are no trades out there to be had, and that people who think....Gosh, we really need to trade a 3 for 1, or 2 for 1 deal, are simply pissing in the wind.

There just aren't any of those trades available......pipe dreaming is great !

Remember my thread about whether that was actually a successful strategy? Because personally, I think it is a CRAP strategy.....and one based upon others failures and hope, rather than one based upon actual planning and things you can control yourself.

Agreed, but only 1 team can win it, and unless Kobe is falling from the sky onto our team, not sure what else we can do.

Well, we can b****, piss and moan about it, but it won't change anything.

What would you do if you were GM, maybe we can start there......

I think you just wanted to argue today....lol....

DD

 

I don't want to just argue today. I do find it mildly frustrating to have this discussion with you now...you just posted this in September:

So how are we giving the GM a pass on what you call a CRAP strategy? because I agree with you.

 

Well, is Yao playing 24 mpg? Is Brooks playing? I certainly counted on AB being healthy....and hoping Yao would be....

Stop transfering your dissappointment of the organization onto me.

Write Daryl Morey a letter, better yet, write Les one, they are the ones that can effect change.

And don't you think Morey is just following his marching orders from Les? I do....

b****ing and moaning at another fan because they had hope is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?


DD

 

Trust me...I'm not transferring it onto you. I find it frustrating to see you come in here now and say you didn't think this team was a contender when we spent months discussing it. It's not nearly the call-out from me you think it is.

 

Don't agree with point #2 I think he just has a very big lack of confidence in some of the players. Evidently he just does not see enough in practice to inspire him to play some of the players.
Maybe some Allen Iverson type players.

Do agree on point #4 lets trot them out and see what they can do in real game time.

 

So, you get frustrated because other fans have differing opinions? Really? It bugs you that much...I couldn't care less...(not about your feelings, but in general I am not bothered by others views)

I had major qualifications in my hopes for the team, the biggest being health from Yao.

That didn't happen, but even without Yao I figured we would be a 50 win team with a healthy AB leading the show.....well dang it...guess what.....???

I do find it preplexing that you are coming in and bringing this up now, when the team is starting 2 backups and struggling mightily because of it.

I mean, you have a career backup PG whom people on here vastly overated as more than an energy guy, even though his entire history in the NBA had shown that his stats did not improve proportionally when he started.

And we have a slower than dirt non defense playing Center...Hell, if Yao could just stand at the rim, he would be a better defender than Miller....

And to see Rick Adleman consistently trot out Miller and Scola and hope they somehow get better is staggeringly poor coaching.

We have no contrast on this team because of injuries and stupidity in rotations.

I am just as frustrated as you Max.....I just don't care if you were right in the preseason about Yao's injuries....great...you were right...he got injured.

DD

 

hey nimwit, we're 12 GAMES into the season and have been playing without our starting center and starting point guard for at least 1/2 that time.

this thread makes me want to punch you in a rational and reasonable fashion.

 

Brother, you and I would have some fun if we did a lunch....lol.

DD