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the adelman way

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by denniscd, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. blastaway

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    I just wanted to see what it was like to quote myself! A very good quote I might add! :D :D
     
  2. DonkeyMagic

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    that's funny since JVG was the opposite... All blame, no credit. :D
     
  3. Rocket River

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    I was gonna draw up a play
    but i got high
    I was gonna gonna make a way
    But I got high
    Tracy hurt his knee
    so I got high
    Everyone wants to blame me
    so I got high
    Folx are screaming for JVG !!!!
    so I got High
    they won't be happy until i'm history
    so I got High
    So I got High
    SO I GOT HIGH!

    Rocket River
     
  4. carib

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    The Rockets are trying to go from one extreme to the other. From a defensive minded and deliberate offense minded coach to a offense minded and lets the players decide coach. The transition is killing them. When a team is underperforming the coach has to take charge and not let the players try to figure it out. The reason being when loosing the team begins to turn on itself and point fingers at one another, thats where a strong coach has to step in. Don't wait till injuries to Rafer and TMAC before you make line up changes when the team is underperforming.
    When the Rockets went on that six game loosing streak, changes should have been made to find that third scorer that the team is lacking when compared to the championship contenders.
    The team needs to play to a style that fits its lineup. Up tempo Suns style cannot work on a team lacking a penetrating point guard and athletic center and power forward.
    We average 94 points a game which is not good for an up tempo style.
     
  5. GRENDEL

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    wow, really adding to the discussion there....
     
  6. GRENDEL

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    exactly but since JVG can't be kicked around now they've moved on to T-mac
     
  7. xiki

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    Perhaps you have the ability to enlighten me/us on the not his fault / ultimate successes will be because of his leadership malarkey ???

    Doubtlessly this disaster is not 100% Adelman but as the head honch of the Toy Shop court he is responsible for W's...and L's.

    I have trouble seeing this team win more than 36 at this point.
    I have trouble seeing this team keeping McGrady's attention at this point.
    I have trouble seeing this team not being blown up at this point.
    I am troubled that I have to watch college/int'l ball to see which guy I want to be our next Lotto superstar (sic).
    I have trouble understanding the reason behind this Thread.
     
  8. JeopardE

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    I think the news of the Rocket's defensive demise has been greatly exaggerated. As of today the Rockets rank 5th in the league in defensive efficiency and 3rd in opposing eFG%.

    And as far as tempo is concerned, this is also often mischaracterized. The goal of the new offensive system is supposed to be increased efficiency, not necessarily higher tempo. Our tempo is somewhat average at 90 possessions per game, but not much higher than last year (and last year's team wasn't as slow-plodding as most people believed, either). The issue has been poor offensive efficiency, and this team can become a very good team again once that issue is resolved. The good news is that the offense appears to be coming around of late ... perhaps durvasa can post some moving-average charts to prove this.
     
  9. carib

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    The goal was increased offensive efficiency. That makes sense, but then you make the coaching seem bad. We are not a good three point shooting team, but we shoot alot of 3 pointers which reduces our efficiency. We need to work on turnovers in order to improve our efficiency. Despite decent defense our scoring at 94 points a game is still too close to how many points we concede a game. My last line was indicating that scoring is the problem as well playing a style that fits the team improves offensive efficiency, I am not complaining about defense. Given that Adelman is not a defensive minded coach we are doing well on that side of the court.
     
  10. JeopardE

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    I some what agree, except for turnovers -- it's true that the Rockets are 21st in the league in turnover differential, but at -0.61 it's mostly a wash and this isn't exactly a team that's designed to create lots of steals. You'd probably get a few more steals and breakaway baskets if you gave mini-Iverson (Mr. Brooks) and Bonzi some more floor time, but don't expect lots of improvement in that department. The issue is executing the offense in the half court and getting high-percentage shots, and that is something that we're just going to have to be patient with and let it develop over time as players get increasingly familiar with the system and build more chemistry (we've seen this improve consistently over the past couple of weeks now).

    I'm also not concerned about the volume of 3 pointers. I strongly believe the poor shooting percentage earlier in the season was due to lots of tentativeness and unfamiliarity ... and now we're seeing our traditional shooters return to form (Battier, Head and Alston). McGrady before he went down was actually shooting 3s better than he did last year. This team will eventually come around -- it just needs time.
     
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    Correction to the previous post -- the Rockets are actually 20th in the league in turnover differential.
     
  12. feihung316

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    adelman had success in sacramento, that's correct. but didn't he have like a bunch of star players? i mean, even doug christie was a better shooter than battier is right now. bibby was amazing clutch. c-webb was actually playing. peja shot lights out. even bobby jackson, who i was hoping mike james will be like this year, was incredible off the bench.

    credit goes to jvg for taking a group of crappy players to 52 wins, and they still came just a few minutes of good basketball from beating the jazz in game 7. i don't see us trading t-mac and yao, but i do see the team improving tremendously when motivated. rick needs to show that he wants to win and put into the effort that jvg did (didn't he create the red rowdies just to bring some enthusiasm to the home games?). if adelman doesn't show the passion to win, there's gonna be no chance t-mac will play hard for him.
     
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    Adelman actually praised the team very much after the game against Boston even though we lost after we made some crucial mistakes. I have never heard JVG praised his team after a close lost. Well. JVG is always grumpy.
     
  14. denniscd

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    thats what im talking about...adelman's positive approach is keeping the players spirits up and their play is showing that they love this man as their coach!
     
  15. Dave_78

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    I liked JVG and thought he deserved another year. I also used to overlook Tmac's faults because of his talent and because I thought he might mature into a real leader. There comes a point, however, when it becomes obvious that a person is not going to take that next step and might be regressing.

    I don't understand how any fan could get down on JVG when all he did was breathe, eat and sleep Rockets basketball. The guy lived to make this team win. Can Tmac say the same?
     
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    :confused: spirits up? love this guy as their coach? so that they can stay as the most disappointed team of the season?
     

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