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The Adelman Project: Early Observations

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Old Man Rock, Nov 13, 2007.

  1. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Member

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    no.. jvg had the option to play bonzi and even vspan last year but was too proud and stubborn and he also had the option to approve the juwon for james deal but again was too stubborn or proud..
     
  2. BucMan55

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    Actually the only problem with the offense this year is we cant hit wide open shots at any reasonable clip.

    If I had a nickel for everytime Bill or Gene said "______ wide open for 3, no good" I'd not be working anymore...

    Rafer is the biggest culprit, but James, Battier and Head all have had their woes.
     
  3. wnes

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    ^^ Well yeah, they can move their feet a couple of feet closer to the basket, for crying out loud.
     
  4. tcadriel

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    We haven't seen enough to compare Aldeman to JVG? You have to be joking. This team including Yao and T-mac are doing things that they never did under JVG. How about Yao and T-mac being players of the week in the first two weeks of the season? How about T-mac scoring his second highest game of his Rockets career in his second game this year? How about beating Utah at home? How about offensive rebounds? How about Bonzi ON THE COURT? How about Yao hitting easy jumpshots or not getting pounded all game long in the low post? I see big, but suttle differences. It is the same starting 5 as last year, so of coarse there is going to be some similarities in game play. Thats what their comfortable with. And Adelmam is smart for recognizing that using the same starting 5 from last season will result in a fast start, especially with the killer schedule we had at the start of the season. What I learned from the JVG era is that, he's like the kid who like and knows that pounding square pegs in round holes will eventually work.
     
  5. Blake

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    Terrible memory. Bonzi was 30 pounds overweight (even moreso than he has been historically), skipped practices and games with fake injuries and cavities, and then quit on the team. QUIT.

    I like him now, but you cannot put all of the Bonzi blame on JVG.

    Oh, let's not forget him admitting to not giving much effort last season b/c he was pissed about his contract situation.

    And the quote from one of his friends about a convo with Bonzi in ESPN the Magazine (a Rick Bucher report)..."Since Houston is giving me 25% of what I am worth, that is exactly what they're gonna get."

    Yeah, all JVG's fault

    AND if we traded Juwan for James, then who would our backup PF have been? Chuck Hayes and...?????

    I have no problem with people disliking JVG, but some of your memories are pathetic
     
  6. vlaurelio

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    so why has bonzi been playing better? has his salary increased?

    juwan didn't do jack in the playoffs.. get james and get a backup to replace juwon.. isn't that how teams operate? it does not mean if we trade a way our backup pf then they won't get a backup pf o replace him

    I have no problem with people defending JVG, but your excuses are pathetic
     
  7. Blake

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    Yeah, it's called losing 30 pounds and being in a contract year

    No, it's a bit hard to get a servicable backup PF midway through the season, unless you want Pig Miller.

    Nice try
     
  8. thiuronium

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    Rafer is a streaky shooter. He did pretty good in the preseason games beyond the arch, so I expect him to shoot poorly for 5~7 games. Maybe tonight he will shoot the light out. But I really hope he can find his touch against Spurs, Marverics & Suns. :)
     
  9. Old Man Rock

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    It was definitely not all on JVG and quite a bit of the blame goes on Bonzi. And I will confess to being one of the ones disliking JVG and pointing the finger at him probably more than he deserved. But what gets me are these JVG only fans who can't see anything he did wrong. There is no question JVG has a high basketball IQ. But what he seemed to lack is an ability to communicate with his players in any kind of positive manner. Yeah I know there are those he will say what do you want a bunch of players running the ship. But there is a way to motivate your players to go to war with you without being so Grumpy. Anyway he is gone and no need to say anymore. I am happy with are new coach so far. He is a bit more flexible with the players but he is by no means a pushover by evidence of his decision not to play Stevie so far.
     
  10. Blake

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    I agree. He has tons of flaws and couldn't get out of round one
     
  11. WNBA

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    Rockets need scorers, still.

    Rafer, not one.
    Hayes, no.
    Battier, nuh.

    This is a crazy line-up for Adelman, TMAC and Yao.
     
  12. DonkeyMagic

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    bonzi was fat and sucked...then he quit.

    who would have been the backup PF with no howard? let me guess...novak, right?

    no excuse for v-gina...he just sucked. but thanks for helping me prove how limited the rockets were with options.
     
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    Haven't you noticed how much easier they get to do those so-called "bread and butter" plays? How much more room T-Mac is operating? How much easier Yao is getting offensive rebounds? How much more relaxed T-Mac is shooting his jumpers? That's the difference.

    People were commenting about how stupid it would be to move Yao away from the high-percentage low post scoring. Guess what, Yao is shooting at a higher percentage than any other season before, while spending 25% of his time at the high post.
     
  14. Zboy

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    You guys are wasting your time. :p

    Most people saw the obvious all along. Apologists started to dwindle away after the collapse last playoffs. A handful blind ones are still left over. It's cool though. Adds to the flavor of this board.

    I like diversity.
     
  15. Old Man Rock

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    By your words it was 100% Bonzi's fault. Vspan is the worst excuse for a basketball player and the team would have never found anyone to replace Howard's minutes if we had traded him for James. So everything JVG did was the right decision.

    Question, is there anything you see that JVG did wrong as a Rocket coach? (Not being facetious)
     
  16. vlaurelio

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    he was effective while tmac was out and he quit on jvg

    the reason jvg used for not getting james was chemistry not replacing howard..

    yeah he told to hangout in the 3pt line, jvg didn't know or wasn't willing to use him for what he is.. that's why he sucked..
     
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    I'm not sure what you are talking about...the offense hasnt been that "easy" thus far this year.

    More relaxed shooting jumpers? thats hilarious. quote of the day.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    There fixed it for you.
     
  19. DonkeyMagic

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    when a player doesnt give it his all and dogs it from day 1...yes it is his fault.

    who would have replaced howards minutes? tell me, who?

    this team was fundamentally flawed with its talent, not the coach. thats the point. But for whatever reasons its always easier to blame a coach for all the problems rather than the players for choking in the clutch, superstars disappearing, bench players being horrible, etc.
     
  20. DonkeyMagic

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    he was effective for what, 1 game?! :D that hilarious.

    he quit on the team not the coach.



    DM used those words too, guess you better start bashing him. :rolleyes:


    oh, thats what he "told" him to do... wow, can you get me into the practices too?!

    :p
     

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