Cant see how you'd marginalize the lack of male role. Doing that is like disallowing roommating from happening. If someone does roommate even if its their best approach, lets say an 18 year old going to live on college campus or around, of course itll come down to personal responsibility and juggling 3 jobs cuz it HAS to. Dual income and rotating head of households and guardians just covers more ground and costs. Thats just the physical part of it. Then, a man is best served learning how to be a man from a man. Can a man teach a girl how to be a woman? I see it as 1) Somewhere culture placed less focus on the art of parenting. Dont know where or what event triggered it, just know it has. 2) The focus on individualistic material pursuits so prevalent in the county, parenting kinda gets in the way of that. 3) Women started to devalue their role as homemaker. More emphasis on liberating independence. 4) Woman have to MAKE BETTER CHOICES IN THEIR MEN. I said it... - The thugs, the douchebags, the criminals, the all around a-holes out there. We already know that women like bad boys. Well it doesnt end at just liking them, women create children with them. Of course how are the children more than likely going to end up? 5) My observation, I think some women are a little comfortable with Daddy Court System approach complementing their child rearing. Dont need the presence of the man, just the presence of his monthly child support payments coming in and take it from there. (Doesnt make sense for poor women in projects getting other poor project men, but it goes on out there across all demographics).
Why do they have to be mutually exclusive. It is all part of the same vicious cycle. If there was only one component then it wouldn't be such a hard problem to solve....
I think it's an interesting topic, but really irrelevant to the bigger picture. Instability is directly correlated with low socio-economic demographics and regions. Lacking culture or the "village" type unity that was mentioned earlier only exacerbates matters for people who are struggling. No developed country with the amount of opportunity America has (that means less harbored resentment and "life is cruel" stories) has more crime per capita. I was talking with an associate about the ignorance is bliss factor in America and we both agreed the country isn't classy enough to be spoilt. There is no real culture that resonates with the majority of the people and this is due to a lack of intuition and the business first environment. It's a society for robots, without a sense of aura about them or an appreciation for the finer things, who wind up leaning on religion to act as their crutch. So you can't appreciate the small things or the struggle at times when all you can think about is the end result. Where is your passion for life America? Where will impatience lead you? It always startles me how short sighted people are. No one cares about 1 or 2 exceptions. Family life and the pursuit of a family is a lot more appealing to people with the emotional and financial means to successfully do so, and that's not representative of the "ghetto". If we could inject some sass and culture into the lower and middle class, some reasons for optimism, it would be a very different story.
I propose the parents are dropping the ball becuase they feel like the state will carry it. Why carry the ball when you don't have to? Unfortunately we are edging closer to a socialist utopian world that exists in the minds of liberals.
So your solution is "it's their fault so screw'em"? The Party of NO strikes again. Nobody likes to feel worthless and at other people's mercy. NOBODY. As soon as you get your head out of the sand, you'll realize that solutions are very difficult and can't be sumed up by blaming liberals. Afterall, if the problem is systemic poverty created in large part by reminents of slavery ...then it certainly wasn't liberals that created the problem. Sorta like Iraq. Convervatives come in and decimate their entire country and our entire economy. Then leave office and blame the liberals for not cleaning it up fast enough. lol As usual, conservatives started something they couldn't finish.
the destruction of the nuclear family for american blacks can be traced back to slavery. it has accelerated but american black families have always had a higher single parent rate.
This is true, for the most part. I think there are some who receive government assistance that have skewed their view to feel they deserve said assistance or are entitled to it or whatever. They dont view it as pity or mercy. They see it as a right or whatever. I cant even pretend to quote you numbers, as I have no clue. But folks do exist like this. I will go on a limb though and say its a very small portion of folks who receive assistance.
Women have proved to be inferior as the primary caretaker of their children It's time for the men to take over and be given custody of the child after separation* *preferably the couple would stay together
Exactly. To the original question. Lack of real male parenting is also why a generation of largely white suburban kids have the toughness of a wet tissue, the work ethic of a cactus, and zero respect for anything. I've seen them and taught them. My hardest working student this last term was a kid from south-central LA who saw he had an opportunity in college. (That and a veteran of the latest Iraq war; he kicked much ass in class, in terms of grades.) I haven't seen it mentioned, but also to the OP: a scientific study of male elephants showed marauding violent behavior in teenaged male elephants when there was no older male elephant in the herd. It's simply biology and pretty obvious, IMHO.
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It can be traced back to the hippies and leftists rejecting the American family values of hard work etc for those of hedonism and socialism/communism.
Stop spewing this bull***** about politics having anything to do with values, work ethic, etc. That is a cheap, and dirty ploy that has no basis in reality and insults a LOT of decent, hardworking people of all stripes on this BBS.
You do realize that it is not that children of hippies that we are talking about, right? You do realize that this has become a large societal problem, right? We have a large number of children who never heard "just wait until your father gets home." Mothers, generally, are much more nurturing and less disciplinary than fathers. I know that I would not be the man I am today if not for my father. As for your constant call for the red scare, it died in the 1980s. Time has left you behind.
What about lack of a cultural identity or any form of adversity? I think the "microwave dinner" culture of America is what leads to lack of curiosity and general dullness, and an empty mind leads to overeating in the higher demographics and violence in the lower ones.
It can just as easily be traced to the win at all costs of our capatilistic society that leaves kids after a certain age home alone(or with siblings) to fend for themselves til mom gets home while the father works late hours in order to get that next raise or job opportunity. Father may still be technically in the household, but is just as absent as a no-father household for the majority of the child's life. They are so busy trying to buy that next overpriced car or that big two story house in the exclusive neighborhood that they forget the reasons they even claim to be doing their job.
