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The 2022 Baseball Season - Things to Come

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by jim1961, Oct 14, 2021.

  1. STR8Thugg

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    Or 01, 03, 06, 08, 09, 10......
     
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  2. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Not really. I know plenty liberals that like sunshine.
     
  3. Snake Diggit

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    Seattle is like a lot of other things: people who don’t like it base that on what they’ve seen on Fox News, people that like it have actually been there.
     
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  4. Tomstro

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    Yeah Im sure but I never said they didn’t
     
  5. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Judges chase reminds me of the weird excitement we have about going back to the moon. It's kinda like they are asking us to forget we already did this. We truly are back in the 60's. All we need now is the construction of a Berlin wall somewhere, Roe vs. Wade case, and the Packers and Chiefs in the Superbowl.
     
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  6. Tomstro

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    see this is what I mean. In just that one sentence of yours, it’s clear which side you fall on. You can always tell pretty quickly these days.
     
  7. juicystream

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    It is silly to be trying to make 62 a big deal because it will be the AL record (and of course in some minds the true MLB record, but they aren't erasing McGwire, Sosa, & Bonds from the record books). Meh. Actually more interested in him getting the triple crown.
     
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    Don't bring politics into this, I'm sure Seattle is no nicer than Cleveland, Memphis or Tupelo.
     
  9. jim1961

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  11. Nook

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    Not so sure about that.

    Bonds played the first half of his career without performance enhancing drugs..... give Bonds steroids starting in the mid 80's and lets see how many homers he ends up with.

    By most accounts Bonds started using steroids in 1999.

    Bonds already had 450 homers at the time he began using performing enhancing drugs...... over the last 8 years of his career he averaged an OPS of nearly 1.300 and over 50 homers per 162 games. The only reason it isn't 60-70 homers a season was that he walked so much.

    Had Bonds used performance enhancing drugs his entire career, he could have pushed for 900+ homers.

    Also keep in mind that there have been questions about how clean that Pujols has been and also that not everyone was impacted the same by taking performance enhancing drugs. Some like Bonds were improved, and others only had marginal improvement or none at all.

    Regardless, Albert Pujols is a first ballot Hall of Famer and the finest first baseman since Jimmy Foxx and Lou Gehrig and later, Stan Musial (if you want to have him as a first baseman).
     
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    Heck, if he wasn't blackballed from baseball after he broke the record, he'd probably have hit 800. He was still a top 10 hitter when he went unsigned.
     
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  13. rockbox

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    I'm assuming Pujols was clean. He was freakish in his 20's and his numbers dropped noticably when he got in his 30's like a normal person. Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire were the aberration because their performance got that much better into their mid to late 30s.

    I just ran a comparison between Bonds and Pujols from age 21 to 30(the both enter the league at the same age) and Pujols had 408 home runs compare 292 for Bonds. Pujols was a monster especially if he was clean.
     
  14. Nook

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    Agreed.

    He hit 762 homers and still had an OPS north of 1.000

    At the time he said that he wanted to play 3-4 more seasons and even if they made him a part time player, he still would have hit at least another 70-80 homers during that period of time.
     
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    I'm not gonna join in the PED vs non PED discussion, but Pujols early years came in a far, far more homerun friendly league than Bonds early years did. If you hit 35 in the late 80s-early 90's you were a top slugger.
     
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  16. Nook

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    Bonds did not start taking performance enhancing drugs until he was 34 years old.

    Through his age 33 season, Barry Bonds had hit 411 homers and had three MVP awards (and two others he should have won). He also had a career OPS of over 1.000 at that point.

    Albert Pujols through his age 33 season had 513 homers and an OPS of .998 and had won three MVP awards.

    Pujols had played about two more seasons worth of at bats when both players were 33 years old.

    Pujols had been slowing down some since he was 31 years old...... Barry Bonds had not slowed down at all through his entire clean period.

    Also not everyone slows down, there are guys like Hank Aaron and Nelson Cruz and David Ortiz and others that have tremendous second halves of their careers.

    I agree with you that Pujols was a monster..... he is a first ballot Hall of Famer type player, and one of the 3-4 best first basemen over the last 75 years... he just isn't in the same class as someone like Barry Bonds, who was just a better player.
     
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    The problem people should have with the Bonds Story is that Bonds met the steroid dealer growing up. Not in 1998. They were longtime friends. It's just that he started training officially on paper with his friend in 1998 who was tied into the Balco fiasco. As a rookie he did look normal. But do we know for sure 1998 is when he started doing steroids? Doubt it. That's just the timeline we know about because he was officially on paper as training with his friend. If I were to guess it happened sometime before that off the record... and sometime shortly after he arrived in San Francisco in 1993. He had a 12 homerun boost as soon as he arrived in the Bay area when he hit 46. He only averaged 25 HR a year in Pittsburgh. Bonds lied about everything until he couldn't deny the paper trail. He's probably still lying about the years before.
     
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    How fun would it be if after getting to 60 homeruns on Sept 20th, Aaron Judge proceeds to put up a zero in the HR column for the remaining 15 games, leaving ESPN and Yankees fans with blue balls?
     
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    And he'll probably lose the triple crown also trying to get homerun 61 and 62.
     
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    They are surprisingly silent as the Mets now have a better record than the Yankees.
     

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