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The #1 spot

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by leebigez, Jan 1, 2006.

  1. Mack

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    Reggie Bush is being hyped as the best RB prospect in 30 years. I just have a hard time imagining that he'll be better than Barry Sanders, or Marshall Faulk in his prime. He'd be rated ahead of Bo Jackson, who I thought was one of the most electrifying running backs I'd ever seen in his short career.

    If he's really THAT good, I'd be disappointed if the Texans took anybody else or traded down.
     
  2. BigM

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    i'd like to draft bush but i wouldn't be against trading the pick if and only if casserly wasn't the gm. i have zero confidence in his talent evaluation.
     
  3. HillBoy

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    One of the things that led to the ultimate demise of the Oilers was their stupid, inept draft history. Under Casserly & Dom, the Texans have gone down the same path (which has led to their crash and burn this year). The bottom line is this: When the talent is there when you pick, you PICK it. You simply don't pass up an athlete of the caliber of Bush who, by his mere presence on the field, gives the offense a dimension it hasn't had since the inception of this team: a true gamebreaking player. You give Carr some REAL offensive linemen (which will be there to be had in the 3rd, 4th & 5th rounds), add Bush to AJ & Mathis and suddenly this offense looks like a bonafide NFL offense.
     
  4. Dream34

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    I for one am praying that the Texans trade the #1 pick to the Titans for their #3 pick and additional picks... Texans need to trade the #1 pick to the Titans for sure!! ;)
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    do the Jets want Lienart? Let's fleece them.
     
  6. Joe Joe

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    The Giants chose "and".
     
  7. mateo

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    If you think Phillip Rivers is gonna be traded for a 1st round pick, you're nuts.

    Plus Brees needs shoulder surgery.
     
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    Fail with Bush, I can handle.

    Pass on him and fail, I would never forgive them.

    Unless Vince comes out.
     
  9. Lil Francis

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    No Doubt. Even if you can get two first round picks for him. Those two picks may be solid players but Bush might be the next Barry Sanders. You gotta be crazy as hell to pass on this guy and McNair is a business man so he will take him. Even if the Texans only win 6 games next season they will have one of the most exciting players in football and he will only get better which is scary.
     
  10. MadMax

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    i realize this is a basketball forum, but the texans don't play basketball. they play football. and in football, one guy doesn't make that much of a difference all on his own.

    again..i'm not saying they shouldn't take bush. at this point, not knowing what is being offered by other teams, i'd say they should take bush. but that doesn't mean you plug your ears and don't listen to what's being offered. this team has WAY too many holes to do that. way too many holes on both sides of the ball.

    the last "sure-fire" NFL draftee who was incredibly overvalued was a guy named Vick. i guarantee you the Chargers thank God everyday that they passed on him and got LT and more picks instead.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    mike vick's been to the NFC championship game. Have the chargers been that far? I realize Vick had a bad year, but you can not deny the success he's had in the most important column, wins. I realize you can't help criticizing Vick, but I Atl's fans don't give a damn about his stats when they are one game away from the super bowl.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I mean, I realize this has become your personal mission on this board, but saying Charger fans thank god they don't have vick when Vick's had more success than that franchise is bit extreme.
     
  13. Lil Francis

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    Max, passing up on Bush is like someone putting a million dollars in your face and telling you that you can take the money or take whats in a box.
     
  14. MadMax

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    you and i disagree on how you judge a player. i've seen very average QB's play for winning teams. i've seen all-time great QB's play on very average teams.

    i'm telling you i believe that Chargers fans...when they watch Vick's performance thus far...are likely damn thankful they made the move they got. they have the best RB in the league, arguably. and they have a pro bowl level QB with a very good prospect on the bench. i'd say that's a far better place to be.

    by the way...does vick suck now? his team didn't win. they're not in the playoffs. since we can't use stats to judge him...only w's and l's....is he just an average QB now?

    imo..vick is the most overrated player in the NFL today...and likely the most overrated athlete in all of pro sports today.
     
  15. MadMax

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    nothing..nothing..nothing is a SURE thing. in pro sports. no prospect is. no game is. nothing.
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    he had a bad season, I least I can admit that. you don't want to give him credit for making the playoffs his second year in the league with the story book franchise Atl, but you want to say this season is his fault.

    I understand you completely. And since San Diego didn't make the playoffs either this year, I'm sure they would still rather have Vick. to suggest they are thanking god they don't is ridiculous.
     
  17. BMoney

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    I would defintely listen to offers, but there were much more questions about Michael Vick than Reggie Bush. Beyond becoming a winning team, the Texans need an identity that they can build around. David Carr is not that player and Debrickshaw Ferguson would certainly not be that player, either. When you pump the money that McNair has put into the franchise and it bottoms out like this you need a player like Bush that transcends football and gets people excited about your team again. It's not like the San Diego Chargers model has put up championships, either.
     
  18. ron413

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    Well said.


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  19. MadMax

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    i'm not detracting from him because ATL didn't win this season. he was part of it, sure. but i'm not detracting from him because of that. my criticism of vick is that he's too one-dimensional. that having a QB in the NFL who CAN'T beat you with his arm will eventually bite you in the butt. carolina showed why again. they stack the line and dare vick to beat them with his arm. he can't. speaking of the NFC Championship, the Eagles showed us that better than anyone. and that's my criticism of vick. that and the fact he's the only QB in the league who can generate 200 yards of total offense in a game and have everyone still call it a "good game." frankly, the offense looked a lot better to me in atlanta this year when Schaub was the QB.

    i don't give trent dilfer credit for the ravens. i don't give jim mcmahon credit for the bears. these were bit players surrounded by good talent. the falcons have gotten where their talent has allowed them to go. their defense isn't as good as it was last year...thus, they're staying home.

    vick isn't mcnabb...he's not peyton...he's not brady...he's not steve young...he's not john elway. these are QB's who literally put their teams on their back. vick ain't that kind of QB. the closest thing i've seen to mike vick is randall cunningham...and randall did it better. we can say stats don't matter. but the job of a QB is to move the offense down the field and score points. that should show up in the stat department. it did for every other great QB in the history of the game...but Vick lovers insist it won't for Vick and that all we can look at is whether the team won or lost. fortunately for vick, he came out early and went to atlanta instead of houston.
     
  20. Bag0b0y

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    I was diehard in drafting Bush before the Texans won the SanFran game but after opening my mind up a little I backed off and thought about the different scenarios the Texans can be in if they trade Bush.

    Remember the Herchel Walker trade anyone? There was like 6 draftpicks (all were 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounders in 3 different years) and several veterans that were traded to the Cowgirls for Walker because Minnesota thought they were one great running back away from a championship???? Now if a team were desperate enough to do something similar I would be wise to listen. We already have 4 picks for the first 70 or so players this coming April think about how we could stock a team with young players for the next several years.

    Walker is no Bush however but Dallas was able to build a dynasty with those players. I still like Bush and I hope he rushes for 500 yards against UT but I'm more open to trading him if we could get a substantial deal worked out. If it's for one extra 1st rounder forgetta bout it!!!!

    I know all the Bush lovers in here are adament about drafting him and I know what it's like because I think he's going to be great. But I guess if we put things in perspective.............Which team would you want the Texans to be in the next several years: Dynasties ala the patriots or cowboys or mediocre teams stuck in playoff limbo ala the lions with barry sanders or the san diego with LT.
     

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