The 00's the Chinese Decade and Chinese Triumphalism

As long as our universities remain top notch, it will be a destination for immigrants.

Let's say China and India graduates 50 million engineers. Who's to say they all graduate within their universities? What non-Chinese or non-Indian would want to go there to learn?

The US will be competitive as long as we take care of our own infrastructure, maintain quality high education, and keep private industry free and innovative.

 

Look , Sam, can I can you Sam because your username sounds so gay.

The US did invented a lots of things. It also got a lot of techs from the Brits
and the Germans. It's a well documented facts. I have high respect for the
Germans.

secondly, where the manufacturing jobs now ? Don't sit on your laurels and
wrap around yourself with the flag and chanting we're still # 1.

 

I can't help but notice that some of the posters attacking Chinese posters for having an "inferiority complex" and an insecurity that drives them to defend the PRC at all costs are the same ones that are taking this topic rather seriously at heart.

 

Will that continue to be the case if overseas market keep developing? I mean, the majority of my old college professors spoke with such heavy accents it's hard to understand them. Who's to say that these immigrants who come here for Ph.Ds would stay to become professors in the future? If their own countries provide better conditions, you would have an exodus of the brightest immigrant minds who currently teach our universities.

Our top notch universities is influenced heavily by our massive amount of wealth. If our wealth disappears, so will our edge in higher education.

I see what you're saying. Although I think it's more of just giving people more rights rather than any change in the government. I'm all for more rights for Chinese. Currently, China may technically not have "human rights". But the government uses poll numbers and feedbacks from people to use for policy-making. You can say that they're doing the minimum to keep the masses in line, which would be true. But it is something that as people become more wealthy and educated, should allow people to have more say so in the government.

 

First, Sam is one of the best posters on this forum so I take that as a high compliment. Thanks. Second, using the term gay as an insult is so 1980's. Grow up. Furthermore, you're the one here wrapping yourself in the flag here. The subject of inventions came up and you came to China's defense by bringing up Haier which sells washers and refrigerators. You obviously don't grasp the issue and you'll find insulting everyone you disagree with, MFW style, is going to bore people really quickly. Now you want to brag about manufacturing jobs? Seriously? How much does a Chinese worker make in a factory job? $3k a year? An American earning minimum wage earns 5 times that amount. As long as people will work for $3k a year and that government doesn't care about environmental standards then they're going to have all the manufacturing jobs they want. As soon as those wages start going up and environmental standards increase then those manufacturing jobs go somewhere else. That's how it works and that's why innovation is so important. Also, you're right about the Brits and the Germans and they're America's allies along with the Japanese and South Koreans and just about every other Democratic nation on Earth. China's allies are Sudan and North Korea. Not a whole lot of help coming your way from those guys I'm guessing. So come again, Chinese inventions?

 

^ Honestly, sometimes I feel like buying our Netizens a copy of "1001 Insults, Putdowns and Comebacks" popular among junior high youth.

This would save them the embarrassment of their weak sauce smack talk, frequently served with a side of ESL FAIL.

The trade deficit is big, but the humor gap is bigger. Sura faint.

 

Paper, gunpowder, the compass, printing, paper currency?

meh

let's have an INTERNET COUNTRY E-PENIS COMPETITION and settle this once and for all

 

But the point is as those countries improve, the graduates will eventually move back. In fact, it's already happening.

 

Very few people actually invent anything, and with economy what is the point of staying.

 

not really in big numbers though - the net movement still goes one way (and actually, I even know a few immigrants who returned, then came back to the US ); good article in the Economist as to why the US remains this way here:

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?STORY_ID=15108634

 

Many of the innovators in the U.S. are Chinese anyway. China can catch on quicker than most of you think. The reverse brain flow has already been happening, aided by the financial crisis last year. There are top talents from the U.S. *looking* for jobs in China right now.

 

....that's because they can't find jobs here - 10% unemployment is hardly a sign of a labor shortage.

 

You have absolutely nothing, have you, being reduced to cheap insults and crap for facts. The numerous cases of Chinese espionage directed at this country, and its allies, is well documented. I didn't condemn China for doing it, which you, of course, overlooked. Everyone does it, to one degree or another. Not everyone, however, is quite the ass that you are.

 

I would be pretty cocky as well if I owned a ton of the US debt. Buy hey, let's just keep spending away!!!!!

 

Again, we could lose a percentage of Chinese and Indian graduates, but the world is a pretty big place, and we still have a lot to offer.

We still have a culture that rewards people for taking risks outside their comfort zones. Even if China or India displaces our topnotch universities, I doubt there will be a proportionate exodus across the world to those countries. We will continue to be the destination for immigrants as long as we welcome them.

 

Graduating a lot of engineers does not mean China is suddenly going to lead the world in innovation. Go see the Hindi movie "3 Idiots" and you will see what I mean. The culture of education in China and pretty much the entire developing world is very, very, very different from that in the West. Students there are urged to memorize as much as they can to achieve good grades, so they can get good jobs and make their daddies proud, they are not raised or educated to think outside of the box, in fact they are strongly discouraged from being 'different'. Culture is a giant factor here, and I do not see China or even India coming anywhere close to America or Europe in terms of innovation. India also graduates millions of engineers each year, and they actually have a far more impressive cadre of engineers working in silicon valley and the technology world, far more impressive than China in fact.

Certainly, Japan itself has not really proven to be a great leader of 'innovation' as their specialty has been all along to take scientific advances and ideas developed in the West and then try to improve on them or manufacture them at home, and that is good enough for most. But China, like Japan, will never be leaders in scientific innovation, and I believe You can certainly steal technology and follow that path to development and it will work just fine for you, but I am of the opinion that cultural development along the path of economic development is necessary to foster an environment where people can invent and innovate.

Imagination is nurtured from a very young age, do not forget that.

 

Those are great, historic inventions but they all pre-date Chinese Communism, Mao, and the current economic/political system (whatever you want to call it) in China. As a result they're hardly relevant to this discussion which is about how innovation facilitates growth in modern economies.

 

Deckard,

I guess you just confirmed you are old and fat, because you're pissed that I called you old and fat.

I seen you called other posters stupid around here.
You can't take others call you old and fat ? I am just giving you your own form of medicine.

You need to take a humor lesson from Sammy. He's cool in this department.

I thought this is the monkey flying poo section. I guess I was wrong.
We all have to act like a lady here. You should post a sign " ladies only"
here, so I can stay out of the way; and you and your lady friends can have a tampon fest . Geez.

 

Well, as soon as you and several others turned this discussion into a USA vs China s***fest, I thought it was highly relevant to bring up the fact that China has been "innovating" for a hell of a long time more then the United States. This discussion has been long shot to hell anyways. It does tend to happen with China topics in this forum, I guess. Nobody hesitates to criticize the bad but many tend to ignore the good...China giving billions in aid and development loans to Africa? Neocolonialism. China making enormous headway in granting economic prosperity to millions? Oh, they're still not as good as the USA where union workers get paid 12 times the money for 12 times the laziness! Look, our innovation will keep us on top of those Chinese bastards.

Economic prosperity is not a zero-sum game. Prosperous trade partners benefit one another, that's the whole point of global trade. I'm really sick and tired sometimes of the American attitude of rivalry in all aspects; it has inspired great things but it is also so limiting and paranoiac that it is maddening.