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The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JW86, Oct 24, 2024.

  1. aelliott

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    I'm confused, why would Harden need to defer to FVV?

    Far as I know, there was never a scenario where both FVV and Harden would end up on the Rockets. It was an "either or" situation.

    If they were both here, why would you want Harden to defer to FVV?

    As I've said multiple times over the last few years, the Rockets have to work way too hard for their points. Harden gets easy shots for teammates. It's what he's always done. Nobody on our roster can consistently do that.

    If you're consistently getting good/easy shots, then your offense is going to be more consistent. When players get some easy buckets every game, they also get more confident.

    Currently, Zubac is averaging 18.5 pts with 55% shooting on 14 shots/game. Not sure how much you"ve watched Zubac, but he's not creating those shots.

    We need some easier shots, relying on our guys to get hot every night isnt a winning formula. It also leads to some prolonged cold streaks.
     
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  2. DatRocketFan

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    But the harden haters are worried harden will choke in playoffs.

    Like btch we need an actual playmaker who will make life easier for our youngsters. Paying fvv 40 mil to slowly walk up the court like harden but lack the playmaking of harden is stupid as fk.

    That 9 mins without scoring just further proves my point on how bad fvv is at setting up easy pts
     
  3. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I think you misunderstood my post. Harden would never defer to a young guard (Green) like FVV has. In other words, Green’s not getting 22 FGA per game with Harden at point (unlike now with FVV at point). Harden wouldn’t put the ball in Green’s hands and allow him to go ISO in game critical situations like our last game against the Spurs. Again, I suspect that’s part of the reason why Morey let Harden go — Maxey needed to take over, which would have been difficult with Harden.
     
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    I enjoy watching the clippers. What the hell was this pass at the end?


     
  5. aelliott

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    Why would Harden defer to Maxey or Green? They are both score first players. Harden runs the offense and makes life easier for teammates. Maxey and Green don't do that.

    We need somebody to make things easier on offense. It doesn't have to be Harden but not a lot of those guys are available.

    I will also argue that Green shouldn't consistently be getting 22 shots per game.
     
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  6. Houston77

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    If you don’t think Green should be getting 22 FGA per game when he’s playing like this, then I don’t know what to tell you. I highly disagree. We need to give him the room to take the mantle this season until shown otherwise.
     
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  7. aelliott

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    I'm refering to average shots per game , not one isolated game. Maxey took 24 shots in game while playing with Harden. So, Green couldn't take 22?
     
  8. Houston77

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    There is a difference between taking a certain amount of shots in a given game and AVERAGING a certain amount of shots. With Harden, Maxey averaged 15 shots per game. After he left, it jumped to 20, and he's now taking 27. So long as Green is averaging .38+ from 3 and attracting the gravity he is, I'm fine with him taking 22+ shots per game. In fact, he should be as a potential budding star. FVV permits that. Harden would not on a consistent basis.
     
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  9. aelliott

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    You are using a sample size of 4 games. Lets look at those 4 games.

    Game 1 - 55.6 ts% on 23 shots

    Game 2 - 46.5 ts% on 21 shots

    Game 3 - 58.8 ts% on 22 shots

    Game 4 - 71.8 ts% on 22 shots

    The average ts% in the leage last season was 58%.

    So far this year. Green has been below average efficiency 2 games, league average another and way above in 1.

    His overall stats are skewed due to the last game and the small sample size.

    He's been at or below league average 75% of the time. That doesn't warrent 22 shots per night.
     
  10. jordnnnn

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    Come on man… what do you think Maxey will be averaging when Embiid and PG both are playing? 31 points on 28 shots? No. Probably back to the area when Harden was there…15-17 shots.
     
  11. Houston77

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    I bet he still averages 20+ shots, just like last year.
     
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    ‘I’m gonna guess that’s unlikely, but possible. But let’s be real here your posts quoting his points and field goal attempts THIS year are leaving out a boatload of context….its not just no Harden. It’s no Harden, Embiid or PG.
     
  13. DatRocketFan

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    The 40 million 4 pts 5 rebound 5 assist 2/13 fg stat line
     
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    FVV is on an unguaranteed contract Harden would have wanted a fully guaranteed max contract. Thats why he had that feud with Morey and ended up on the Clippers to begin with. morey told him he would get a full max so the only Harden would sign with the Rox is if he got a full max offer.

    The thing you jokers keep forgetting we have so many rookie extensions coming up if we are paying 60M to Harden we wont have money to pay other guys.

    If FVV sucks ok just dont resign him next year. If Harden starts playing like a scrub you are stuck with him for the next 3 yrs. This is so basic and already discussed when FVV signed his deal why are y'all still so dumb?
     
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    after tonight, FVV is now averaging 12, 3, and 6 on 28/28/83 shooting splits taking 13 shots a game

    we are playing this bum 38 mpg…for 38 minutes every game, he sabotages the team
     
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    Pathetic.

    Udoka still love this bum. He won't blame Fred for any loss.
     
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    FVV “vet leadership” is directing leading the team to Ls
     
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  18. JW86

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    This is one of the things that went right over people’s heads, so thanks for reminding everyone. Harden was not going to come here at anything less than the max. Ironically with Ime and Sengun not gelling, maybe he should’ve favored Harden over FVV since then Sengun definitely wouldn’t have gotten this contract and he could’ve gotten him traded. Anyway, FVV is sucking it up, but luckily we can get out of his contract if he keeps this up. But he’s shown his value and I am sure will do at least better than this.
     
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  19. daywalker02

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    Not difficult to shout for Harden but forget the details why it is hard to even negotiate with Harden.

    I think we had plans to get out of the contract and re-structure it even if Fred was still averaging his 18 ppg and shooting good percentages......he was never going to deserve 42 million a year no matter what, he is not that caliber not last year, not this year.

    Stone gave him that massive contract to address the catastrophic circumstances with the Rockets and now turned it into a moderately concerning circumstance.

    You can always buy him out.

     
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    FredVV
    Sengün
    Jabari

    Those are the 3 guys that are not perfoming well ....still small sample size. Alpe as reported has some physical issues coming back from injury and he is at odds with Ime Udoka and hopefully that gets resolved.
     

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