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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JW86, Apr 5, 2023.

  1. duluth111222

    duluth111222 Member

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    I fully understand bottom 3 teams all have the same odds (14%) of getting Wemby. But the problem is any other team jumps into top 3 will push us out of it.

    You can argue who’s better between Scoot and Miller. But imo after the top 3, the gap is huge. That’s why you hear rumors that rox will trade the pick if it’s not top 3 (or is it top 4?).
     
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  2. duluth111222

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    We have folks (me included) watching closely the clippers pick hoping it can maybe jump from 17 to 15. And yet here you are telling me it doesn’t matter if we get 5th or 7th? Makes no sense.
     
  3. MystikArkitect

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    Only people arguing Scoot/Miller are desperate for clicks. Miller/Amen maybe.

    And the Rockets front office is an F class organization so whatever trickles out of the Rainforest Cafe should be taken with a heaping grain of salt. Crazy how you can he drafting next to the Spurs, Pistons and Hornets and *you* are the dopiest looking franchise.
     
  4. Aruba77

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    I propose a defense off-ramp policy. If we play D well against a legit team, no one is allowed to complain, even if it hurts the tank ;)
     
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  5. krosfyah

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    My take, the Rockets need a top 2 pick ...or bust. The core talent is already here and the Rockets basically know what they've got. If anything, the Rockets need to package up assets to pick up some vets

    ...not draft another project. Ain't nobody got time for that.

    After this summer, the rebuild needs to be officially done.

    Picking between 5 or 7 is irrelevant to me. Either pick 1 or 2, and/or start making trades.
     
  6. peleincubus

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    From 2010-2020 before the rocket’s purposefully went for top picks in the draft. Deviating from what was the oldest team in the NBA had the 3rd most wins in that previous decade.

    Someone can say that they are f class in 2 years or so if they are still losing after they no longer trying to do so.
     
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  7. YOLO

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    Well sorry to break the news to you but both the 1 or 2 picks are also projects and no the rockets don’t basically know what they’ve. They’re still very much in the early stages of a full rebuild. Adding another 19/20 year old is definitely a project in addition to the current 20 year old centered roster

    there’s no such thing as this summer being the last of the rebuild. That’s just nonsense. This team just barely hit 20 wins and suddenly this summer it’s all over. Nah. That’s now how it works
     
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  8. YOLO

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    DP
     
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  9. napalm06

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    Clutchfans: demanding to tank all year

    Also Clutchfans: acting like earlier draft picks no longer matter (especially for trades) like they have the full scouting report on all players and all team draft boards

    The season has no purpose but to tank. Maximize the lottery floor and ceiling. In 10 years that will matter infinitely more than beating the Nuggets.

    Don't care about any "2 percent bro". Do not F around and find out. Just take care of business.

    Also I don't want anyone to have any possible silver lining or momentum argument on behalf of retaining Silas.

    #stayontarget

    In 2006 did you care about the win in game 77? In 2001 did you? Unlikely. Don't be a prisoner of the moment.
     
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    Does anyone know who would win the tie break if we finish the season with the same record as the spurs?
    ATM we're at #2 but we've played 1 more game than them so I can't tell.

    thnx
     
  11. Dr of Dunk

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    Man, get outta here with that crazy talk. Either you tank with us or get lost! Worry about all that "defense", "culture building", "learning how to win" garbage for next season! No such thing as a part-time tanker in a season! :D
     
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    I like Whitmore out of the 3.
     
  13. Imanimal

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    Think trade value….that win was damaging last night. Morons suck all season and then turn into world beaters to ruin the tank.
     
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  14. heypartner

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    There is no tiebreaker for the lottery. Teams with same record just evenly split-up their ball combinations*. In the case of 2nd and 3rd teams being tied, they already have the same amount of ball combinations, so…

    once the lottery is completed, four teams have won the top 4 spots, from the 4 drawings. The rest are ordered by record, and then ties are broken randomly like a coin flip.

    * in the event the sum of combinations among tied teams cannot be divided equally, the remaining combos are awarded randomly.​
     
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    What people on your side don't understand is it has nothing to do with not understanding the math. The math is our worst-case scenario is going to be the 7th pick instead of the 5th pick. It is BETTET to have the 5th pick than the 7th pick. We are the worst team in the league this season. The only reason we might finish with the third-worst record is because Cade got injured and the SAS are tanking like a mofo. We spent the majority of the year being trash feeding minutes to fatasses like Nix. And then for no reason win meaningless games in the final month of the "process" to worsen our worst-case scenario.

    It's really not hard to understand. Would you rather have the 5th pick or the 7th pick?
     
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    Wow, dude, you took my words and stretched them to the polar end.

    It's worth taking a flyer on a top projection, IMO, as the odds that the player will develop into a franchise player is much higher than, say, a #7 pick. That's all.

    Point, the odds of investing in a pick at #7 and having that pick turn into an All-start go down quickly. I did the analysis previously, but a #1 pick has about a 60% chance of becoming an all-star, historically, and about a 30% of becoming HOF caliber player. Decent odds. I haven't done the analysis but I assume a #7 pick, the odds of getting an all-star go down quickly.

    As far as "the rebuild is over", I didn't say this is a 50win team next year. The rebuild is over means this team should no longer aspiring to get the #1 pick. Being competitive for a play-in spot is a good outcome. Becoming conversationally competitive in 3 years is a good outcome. At some point, you gotta stop being in tank mode. That journey needs to start this coming season.
     
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  17. YOLO

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    Cool random numbers
     
  18. krosfyah

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    Sorry, somehow hit POST too soon.

    I previously did an analysis of #1 draft picks over the past 30 years. I wanted to see the % of #1 picks that develop into an all-star or better. It's about a 60% chance. So not a random number.

    Getting the #1 pick in the draft is a safe bet that it will (eventually) improve your roster. Getting a #7 pick, I'm confident those odds go way down. Not worth it.

    Point being, Rockets shouldn't be banking on attaining another player that is 3 years away from maturity, especially if the odds are low it materializes into a legit contributing asset.
     
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  19. YOLO

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    Well pretty much every top pick in this draft is a couple years away from maturity. One and dones are literally that. That’s the point of an nba draft. Drafted for what they can potentially be down the road not right now
     
  20. krosfyah

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    Correct but who is worth investing the time in? Focus needs to be on acquiring players that can contribute now.

    My take, if it ain't Vic or Scoot, flip the picks and go get some vets!
     
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