We got the right coach, all we have to do is get rid of the couple of players. Tank you very much you D?ck head
If the Rockets are going this route can they have at least an Abrams instead of that obsolete Sherman tank? Losing all these years has really affected the decision making process in Htown.
Are you completely ignoring that this year could have one of the deepest drafts ever? If you are going to tank for a draft this is the year to do it.
Yes, keep sucking until you get a player you can build around, it doesn't have to be a once in a generation player, but that would be great. DD
I gotta feel for Morey. I feel like just giving him a hug right now and hope things work out for him. The man has gone through so much these last 3 weeks.
You can't evaluate a draft's depth until at least two-three years after the fact. Certainly not six months before it even happens. And in even the best drafts, roughly half of the lottery picks go bust. And with regards to this draft, Drummond is the only one who I can confidently project as the best player on a championship team.
Serious question. Just because I have to order league pass every year to watch the team play, and IIRC you do as well. If the team plays ~.200 ball and is getting blown out on a nightly basis, how many games do you imagine you'll be watching?
All of them.....I can't help it...but I will lower my expectations to watch to see if guys are part of the future or just cannon fodder. DD
Not true at all. You can evaluate the potential of a draft's depth before it happens. People know going into the 2000 draft that there was not a lot of talent and if you go back and look at it Kenyon Martin and Redd are the only two quality players that came out of that draft. If you can't tell how good players are going to be in the draft then why are there consensus number one picks etc? You can evaluate players and guess their likelihood of NBA success but of course you can't determine how good they will be in the NBA for sure. If a draft had Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Duncan, Sampson and Webber all in it at one time would people not have been saying that it had a ton of depth even without them knowing how good they would eventually be in the pros?
Addicted is the more appropriate term, but I will watch a fair amount of Blake Griffin games too...love that guy. DD
It's a short season. Might as well tank for one season get a million draft picks and draft a superstar then next season train up our star player, make the team as attractive as possible due to the star player to lure better surrounding players in. 4 years down the track, a title contending team is made.
Sure, my point is they would have said the exact same thing if Oden, Bowie, Danny Manning, Jay Williams, Bias and Derrick Coleman were in the same draft class.
1. Oden had serious injury questions coming into the league and was not nearly as proven in college as any of the other guys we have listed so he doesn't fit at all. 2. Danny Manning was a good player. 3. We don't know what Jay Williams could have been because of the motorcycle injury. If we are going to count things like that then we might as well not trade for Paul because he can get into a car crash tomorrow and his career is over. 4. Len Bias - see above 5. Derrick Coleman was good for a while but never lived up to his potential so yes that is a highly touted player that didn't pan out. 6. Sam Bowie is similar to Oden and there were red flags all over when he came out of college. That pick like the Oden pick is 100% the Blazers fault for picking a guy that couldn't even stay healthy in college. Basically you've shown me that players that are injured in college often have injury filled careers in the NBA and have also showed me that freak occurrences can cut a players career short. The only two real instances you have on your list are Danny Manning and Derrick Coleman and Manning wasn't a terrible pro at all.
Says who? Where is the guarantee we draft D. Rose? We could just as easily end up with the next Kwame, Olowakandi, or Darco. See, thats the problem with the "love to tank" crowd. They see nothing but roses ahead when all I see with that strategy is a loser mentality with the payoff being a murky future...AT BEST. With Pau and Nene, at least we knew what we would get.
It doesn't matter how those guys went bust. The main point is that none of them were worth tanking over. Neither was Emeka Okafor, nor Big Dog Robinson, nor Bargnani, nor Bogut, nor Joe Smith, nor Olowokandi, nor Grandmama, nor Never Nervous, nor Brad Daugherty. Some of those guys were perfectly respectable players, some of them were very good, but none of them were worth giving away a season when you have tradeable assets and can pick up guys like Gasol and Nene without tanking. THAT'S the point. If we tank and get a top-5 pick, I have no doubt Morey will find someone decent. Where I have my doubts is if he'll find someone worth blowing up the current roster for, knowing it will take several years to pick up the pieces to surround them with a good supporting cast. If all we're going to get is a pretty good player, let's just TRADE for a pretty good player. Look, I get the appeal of a shiny new toy. I truly do. But unless you get a capital-S Superstar, tanking is simply not worth it. It's not.
It does matter because we aren't just randomly picking guys. Not just any idiot can go out and make a good draft pick but a good GM can. People around here think Morey is a good drafter so in a deep draft we'd expect him to be able to pick one of the winners. I don't think Morey would have taken a risk on an Oden with such a high injury risk with Durant on the board. Morey is famous for taking the best players available so once again I doubt he would have taken Bowie over Jordan just to fill a need because he never does that. It's clear as day that if you look at the NBA teams get great from having high picks. Not everybody can be the Lakers and Knicks and just attract players based off their location. The Thunder, Spurs, Heat, Bulls, and Mavs all got their because of top 10 picks and outside of the Mavs the others were top 5. People like to complain about the Heat getting the big 3 myself included but that never happens if they aren't bad first and end up with Dwayne Wade. People like to say things like oh you might miss even being in the top 5 but that doesn't take away from the fact that that is how the great teams in the NBA got to where they are. That is how we got our two championships too. 9 times out of 10 in this league you have to be bad to get good. i don't know why people think we are so special and shouldn't have to be bad even though that is the only way we have ever succeeded as a franchise. If the Nets end up getting Howard it will be because they were bad and were able to get enough pieces to make moves to acquire to superstars. It's amazing how so many people on this board can't look at the history of the league and see how teams have gotten to greatness 90% of the time.
