Its a lot more to be proud of when comparing it to Elton Brand's career. And the Devean George comparison is ludicrous, Francis is his teams best player, so was Brand, Devean's a backup. People attribute team wins to their number one players in basketball just like they are attributed to the quarterback in football.
Actually Steve is playing a position similar to quarterback although he might be better as a running back and Brand is playing kind of a wide reciever. That's why I say Brand is playing better at PF than Steve at PG. Steve playing SG could be a totally different story. Put Steve on 1999 Bulls, a young team learning a complicated system under a coach who knows NBA game less than players and is learning the same system, or put Steve on a selfish Clipper team with an owner who doesn't want to pay his players, I don't think Steve would do anything better than Brand to those teams. Well, no more post for me on this thread before it turns into a Brand vs. Steve thread.
Well, look at Michael Vick, a running back who can throw. Now he's the most electrifying playing in the NFL now. I hope Francis can be like that in NBA too.
Brand and Francis didn't lead their teams to playoffs since their arrival. That's all I know and all that matters.
I'm just comparing what the two players have done, you're right, playoffs is what matters ultimately.
good point. elton brand is an impact players though.....kid got game. also, this year's draft is about two players and the rest are Jason collier type fodder....so this is a good year to not have a first rounder.....unless you land Anthony or James...after that not much in the pickings....
Ok, Brand aren't those centers I mentioned above either, but Jordan is a rare exception since apart from him, the championships won in the last decade were all won by teams with great big man. -G'day-
Okay, I'm not saying Francis is Jordan, but the guy made a point that franchise bigmen always win, that isn't always true, maybe most of the time, but not always, you ever heard of the Detroit Pistons, how about the eighties Boston Celtics, I could go on and on.
Great centers not always win but they do usually win while great forwards/guards don't usually win. In the last decade, only Ewing out of those great franchise centers failed to win a ring (even he singlehandedly took his team to the Finals once) on the other hand there were so many great guards/forwards who failed to do so any significant in the postseason. Jordon was arguably better player than Russell and Wilt but he managed less rings. It's always easier to build a championship franchise around a great center than a great guard, that's fact. Having said that I don't think Elton Brand is not that type of dominant franchise player you can build your championship team around though. I would take Francis over him any day of week. Plus we've got Yao who has way more potential.
kwame Brown is the most inconsistent #1 draft pick ever. in some games he shows flashes of brilliance, but then he looks like duane causwell in other games. but hes still young just like eddie griffin.
i'm just glad we didn't trade down. most of the players taken in the top 10 have been just total busts this season... tsika, jay williams, dunleavy... ek!
Good point, if we aren't gonna play him why ways why didn't we treat his pick for something useful? Free slice of pizza for everyone for 1 game to boost attendence at the laptop would be nice.
Ridiculous!!! You are acting like Steve won those 45 wins all by himself. SF had Cat and a serviceable Dream among other scrubs. Brand had who, Dickey Simpkins? Matt Maloney? Randy Brown? Here's the Bulls' starting lineup the year Brand was drafted Player G GS M P R A S B FG FT 3P Dickey Simpkins 69 48 24 4,2 5,4 1,4 0,3 0,3 111-274 40 65-120 54 0-1 0 Elton Brand 81 80 37 20,1 10 1,9 0,8 1,6 630-1306 48 367-536 68 0-2 0 Ron Artest 72 63 31 12 4,3 2,8 1,6 0,5 309-759 41 188-279 67 60-191 31 Hersey Hawkins 61 49 27 7,9 2,9 2,2 1,2 0,2 159-375 42 107-119 90 55-141 39 Randy Brown 59 55 27 6,4 2,4 3,4 1 0,2 157-435 36 62-84 74 3-6 50 Only one other than Brand that means anything is Artest, who was nothing back then either. Chicago did not get a semi decent team until 2001, when Ron Mercer joined. He had Brand together averaged about 40 ppg while the rest of the starters got them an amazing total of about 28 ppg. As for the Jordan comment, oh yeah a player like Jordan comes around every year. History is just full of MJ's and SF is just as good, no wait, better than MJ. Fact is, I would trade Steve for Brand hands down if we have he doesn't sign with another team when his contract is up.
Who does Brand have on his team now? Chill out Yao only fan. A servicable Dream, that's ridiculous, Dream had one good stretch of about fifty games to close out that season.
You know what, you're absolutely right. Brand has a bunch of talent on his team all of which are dying to get traded from the nail Clippers. If you call that a team sure why not. Look at the other side, Francis doesn't have a shabby team either, he's not Yao and Cat and some say EG and yet where are the Rox going? If you argue that Brand can't get his team to the playoffs SF isn't doing too good himself. Last time I checked basketball is a team game. As far as what Dream did that year, his good games late in the season is what got us in the playoffs, make no mistakes about it. He decided he had to step up and decided he had to demand the ball. Oh so now I'm a Yao only fan just cuz I criticize Steve huh, so I guess you're a Steve only fan. Fact is, Yao makes tons of mistakes himself but he's a rookie and he learns every game. If Yao is in his 4th or 5th year and makes the same bone headed mistakes SF still makes I'll be on his ass as hard as anybody.
