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Thank God these "Cops" were fired

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by paulnhbtx, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. Hak34

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    Well by this deranged line of thinking who should of been beating up the cops?

    What part of this excerpt in the story are some of you failing to understand?:

    The lawsuit alleges that "Chad had clearly and unmistakeably surrendered to police custody, and as he lay belly down on the ground, defendant Blomberg stomped down on the back of Chad's head and neck with incredible force."

    Suppossedly there is video evidence of this. Now, usually in these cases cops are rarely let go outright. Something must be real evident in that video if these cops were.

    Those cops are now criminals also. So should a second wave of cops come around beating them up?

    I don't care what the kid was doing. He could of shot someone, I wan't my police to understand the basics of their very difficult job. Number one is to keep your anger out of it, and just do your job. They have ZERO right to beat anyone. Nowhere in any cops handbook/manual does it say they have the right to beat on a suspect. Defend yourself, so be it, but beating someone laying down is criminal and they actually should go to jail themselves.
     
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  3. Bandwagoner

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    they do have the right to beat you. A cops rights towards deadly force exceeds ours. If you don't like it then work to change that.
     
  4. Uprising

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    Yep, every time he breaks into someone's house (property) from now on....he's going to get shaky...nervous...and fear cops beating him up.
     
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  5. JuanValdez

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    :eek: I don't know where you get this idea. This cop used excessive force, which should be fairly evident by the fact that he was fired and charged with a crime. Obviously, HPD and the District Attorney didn't think he had a right to beat the suspect. There's no work to be done to change anything, because the law is already right in this regard. The only work to be done is in the judiciary, where the criminal charges and the civil lawsuit are now being processed as they should be.
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    The idea that a cops right to use deadly force exceeds our own? That is does not have to be self defense as was suggested?
     
  7. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Poor guy - can we start a donation drive for him?
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    The idea that the right to use deadly force is at all applicable in this case.
     
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    clutch fans bar b q time
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    I didn't see in the article where it says that the kid was convicted or what he was arrested for.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    For this reason, here's a better article on the arrest:

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7092454.html

    [rquoter]Files shed more light on alleged HPD beating
    7 officers appeal firings in case involving a 15-year-old suspect

    By JAMES PINKERTON
    HOUSTON CHRONICLE
    July 3, 2010, 12:10PM

    The 15-year-old boy whose alleged beating by police officers was captured on videotape earlier this year was one of three suspects injured while being arrested in connection with a burglary and chase that day, according to disciplinary letters handed out to a dozen Houston police officers.

    Seven HPD officers were fired last month after a Harris County grand jury indicted four of them on misdemeanor charges of official oppression in connection with the alleged March 23 beating of Chad Holley, a now-16-year-old Elsik High School student facing a burglary charge.

    Former officers Andrew Blomberg, 27 (JV: the guy getting sued); Phil Bryan, 44; Raad Hassan, 40; and Drew Ryser, 29, each face a count of official oppression. Bryan and Hassan also were charged with violating the civil rights of a prisoner. Both charges are Class A misdemeanors, punishable by up to a year in jail and a $4,000 fine.

    Five other officers were given two-day suspensions. Four of them were accused of failing to report that they struck a suspect during the arrest. A fifth was disciplined for failing to report his patrol car had been hit by another and suffered minor damage.

    The letters of discipline from Police Chief Charles McClelland provide new details of a police chase by more than a dozen Houston officers attempting to catch four burglars seen leaving a home in southwest Houston. At least two HPD police cars ran into each other as the pursuit ended, and three of the four suspects were injured during the arrests. The extent of their injuries was not revealed in the letters.

    The discipline letters state that Holley repeatedly was kicked and hit by six different officers as he lay on the ground with his hands behind his head.


    Shocked himself
    The incident first came to light in late April when the parent company of Uncle Bob's Self Storage sent the Houston Police Department a copy of a surveillance tape that had captured the arrest and alleged beating of Holley by several police officers. Employees at Uncle Bob's discovered the incident while reviewing surveillance tapes in an effort to determine how a company fence had been previously damaged.

    As of Friday, all seven of the fired officers had appealed their terminations. No appeals had been entered by five other HPD officers who were given two-day suspensions. The five have until next week to appeal their punishments.

    Not all of the pain inflicted during the incident was to the burglary suspects. According to the disciplinary documents, officer Hassan accidentally shocked himself with a Taser ([Nelson] Haha![/Nelson]) before approaching the unresisting juvenile and kicking him 15 times.

    The officer said he struck Holley in a technique called "pain compliance“ in an effort to get him to move his arm from behind his head to his side so other officers could place him in handcuffs.


    'Hindsight version'
    Hassan also acknowledged, in a statement to internal affairs, that he kicked the youth after he was handcuffed.

    "I don't know why I kicked him,“ Hassan told police investigators, according to McClelland's letter.


    The letter states that Hassan, who is charged with official oppression and violation of the civil rights of a prisoner, approached Holley with his Taser but dropped the device, causing it to discharge and shock himself.

    "We are looking forward to an unbiased fact finder to take into account Officer Hassan's experience of events during the arrest of the burglary suspect,“ said his defense attorney Joe Owmby. "We will be contesting HPD's hindsight version in court, as well as appealing Officer Hassan's termination."

    In the termination letter to Sgt. John McClellan, the chief wrote, "Three other suspects were arrested at the scene, and some form of force was used during the arrest of each of those suspects. Chad Holley, Henry Villalobos and Elijah Broussard each showed signs of injury when they were booked into Houston Police facilities.“

    The chief's letter said McClellan arrived at the scene of the arrests, but stayed only five minutes, leaving the scene without a supervisor despite the use of excessive force, the discharge of a Taser and two accidents involving HPD vehicles.

    "John McClellan disagrees, as I do, with the disciplinary allegations leveled by the department and he is awaiting the opportunity to present the facts before an independent hearing examiner for a ruling on his case,“ said the former sergeant's defense attorney Robert Armbruster.

    The termination letter of Andrew Blomberg states that the "video evidence clearly shows Officer Blomberg stomping down on the back of Mr. Holley's head or neck area with a great deal or force."

    Defense arguments
    Defense attorney Dick DeGuerin insisted Blomberg's actions did not merit his firing nor his indictment on a charge of official oppression

    "What he did was well within reason use of force, it was justified in order to get a burglar in custody,“ DeGuerin said.

    Brock Thomas, a Houston attorney representing officer Lewis Childress, said his client is a 23-year HPD veteran who has received more than 70 commendations. The officer told police investigators he kicked Holley's arm twice in an effort to get him to place his hands at his side.

    "We believe the city's decision to terminate was the wrong one," Thomas said. "Clearly, we disagree with many of the claims in the termination letter and, obviously, we will pursue all legal avenues in appealing the city's decision in an effort to return officer Childress to work.“

    One of the attorneys for officer Guadencio Saucedo and Phil Bryan said both officers have appealed, and both are looking forward to having their cases heard by a hearing examiner.

    Referring to Saucedo, lawyer Aaron Suder said, "We are very optimistic that we are going to win his case, once we get in front of a neutral arbitrator." “

    james.pinkerton@chron.com [/rquoter]

    One thing I notice is that there are a number of officers that engaged in violence in this arrest, including one who kicked a suspect 15 times but doesn't know why, but only one of them is being sued (so far). Stomping on someone's head does sound like the most egregious of the assaults.
     
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    Stomping the despicable thief on the head was wrong. That's where they should have shot him.
     
  13. Dei

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    I believe the cop, not the department, will be held liable.
     
  14. wizkid83

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    But aren't lawsuits a good way to force action change?
     
  15. Pete Chilcutt

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    After having my house Burglarized recently, I have no pity for the little thug. These people did wrong and if he wins a lawsuit worth 10 Mil, I would be outraged.
     
  16. wreck

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    Only way this kid gets any money is if he sues the cop. What do you think these scum bags are going to do with 200 grand? straighten out their life? what if you give him ten mil? we've seen these rags to riches stories and they all end up the same, somehow they'll be more broke and more f'd up than before.

    the only way to sue the police dept is if there is any evidence that the cops had a history of violence, which im sure right now those files if they exist have been deleted.
     
  17. joesr

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    Have you seen manslaughter driver videos? I gaurantee you'd change your mind :mad:

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  18. Shaud

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    I doubt it. If he was that fearful he wouldn't do it in the first place.

    You do something like this and bad things are bound to happen. I doubt he has learned his lesson. Only way he still stop trying to do stupid stuff like this is if he somehow wins this case and is given a whole bunch of money.
     
  19. Uprising

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    Ya, I was being sarcastic. Kind of poking fun at his post traumatic complaint.


    That Un Safe driving video had me cursing in shock on some of the clips.. :eek:
     

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