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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by denniscd, Oct 24, 2007.

  1. DonkeyMagic

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    same talent but greater depth? that doesnt make much since. If you have greater depth that means you have more talent
     
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    Good luck getting this blatant and obvious fact thru JVG apologists' heads.
     
  4. Blake

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    Same talent??? Really? An in-shape Bonzi Wells, Luis Scola, Mike James and Steve Francis. Plus last year we had Juwan

    Put the pipe down, bro

    I was all for JVG getting let go, but that is ridiculous
     
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    Actually, I don't agree with the first part. It was the second part I was alluding to.

    I just quoted his entire post.

    In any case, when JVG was let go, I knew talent level on this team would go up automatically. In fact, Tigermission had asked me last year, if I had a choice between Gundy or Juwan, who would I want gone...I told him Gundy. Remove Gundy and his collection of old scrubs would be on the way out. I knew it would happen, but I didn't think results would show up this quickly.
     
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    thats zboy for you...hence why he is on the ignore list :)

    regardless of the coach, saying that this team has the same talent as last year is...well...just flat out wrong.
     
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    I didn't think you could face the truth about JVG since you are a hardcore JVG apologist. 90% of your time is spent here coming to Gundy or Rafer's resuce. The rest of it is spent getting your @ss kicked in D&D. If only you could "critical think"... :D
     
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    I'm no JVG apologist, but we didn't have any "old NYK scrubs" on our team last year. I'm glad we got RA, but we were without old scrubs last season
     
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    Didn't you just mention Juwan in the previous post? What was he? Young and athletic "gazelle"? If anything, Juwan played like an old scrub in playoffs against the Jazz.

    Rafer is on a short leash along with other PGs on the team. If he performs he will have his minutes, but if he doesn't (If you are a history buff, this is the one you would go with), then I am pretty sure RA will bench him. If he does not then he will be just as stubborn and detrimental to his team as Gundy was.

    No favoritisms. Is that too much to ask of a coach?
     
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    JVG is gone. coaches get fired.

    take the good,
    take the bad,
    facts of life ...
     
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    Juwan was under contract and was a throw in from the TMac trade. Yeah, he was a liability but it's not as if he was a Weatherspoon/Ward/Bowen/Oakley/Mark Jackson type, which is what I think you were alluding to.

    The only GM stupid enough to take him was McHale. If we would have traded Juwan last season, we would have had Chuck Hayes and Chuck Hayes at PF.
     
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    I know this is sad but.....

    I think Bowen did more for us in the playoffs against Mavericks than what Juwan contributed in the Jazz series last year.

    You just hurt Flyin Bowen's feelings!
     
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    Considering we got close to nothing out of him in playoffs, this one would have helped us.

    Not only did we end up keeping someone who would not contribute, but we did not get someone who would have backed up another one of our liability and would have contributed!

    Double whammy!


    I agree with you about the McHale part...this is what I posted in another thread with their situation.......

    Lord have mercy on the Timberwolves team.

    Walker and Juwan on the same team. Each with abysmal FG% and both playing in front court. *gasp*

    Too bad there's no mathematical law which would let you add their FG% so that the combination of the two would crack the 50% mark.

    Someone should just take Walker away from the Wolves and then cut him out of mercy for their fans.
     
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    So you think we had more talent than Dallas or the Jazz? Utah's 2nd unit had players with talent equal or superior to some of our starters, and most of our 2nd unit players wouldn't have made their roster.

    It's just kind of funny how some fan's perspective is. Getting a lead in a play off series against a more talented team is because of the players, but losing the same series is because of the coach? I mean we had a great chance of advancing last year with home court, but let's not forget that we earned home court by ONE game and only because Utah choked down the stretch.

    Getting outcoached usually means losing to a less talented team, not losing to a team with more talent. JVG was by no means perfect, but in the end it was the Rockets getting outplayed much more than the Rockets getting outcoached in both series.
     
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    It was not one or the other. It was a combination of factors. Gundy's one dimensional coaching and predictable offensive scheme was definitely part of the problem...

    Jazz had better overall talent.
    But we had better 1-2 punch/stars.
    WE had the homecourt advantage.
    This was the same roster that Gundy had during the regular season and we were on par with Jazz in terms of winning %.
     
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    Also Morpheus, the rockets earned home court by one game over Utah with Yao & T-Mac missing huge chuncks of the season. The rockets still had no excuse losing that series with a 2-0 lead and they should have been playing the WCF against the Spurs. Adjustments is a big part of coaching especially in a 7 game series and I think that is one of JVG's negatives. If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always gotten.
     
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    again...adjust with what?! people love to say "adjust" but you cant adjust very much when you have such a limited amount of skilled people.

    And the rockets dont have an excuse. They had a lead with a few minutes left and they folded. Personall, i have a hard time chalking up blowing a lead during the last few minutes to "adjustments"...thats just when players play
     
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    how many assists did brooks have last night? everyone complains about james hogging the ball...what about brooks?
     
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    I was really high on Brooks coming into camp, but he has not looked good, at all. I am very surprised, I thought he would "wow" the fans in the preseason. He has major skills, but they have not been on display. Not sure why.
     

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