Yes and its a very practical solution... I agree with how you want to open things back up, but there's needs to be testing... You or I don't know if we have had the virus or do have the virus without ever been tested... So slowly open with precaution and lots of testing... T_Man
41,000+ people have died in the United States through today. That's that we know of. The number is probably higher than that, but I think 41,000 is shocking enough. Only 8 days ago, the number was 20,000. We've more than doubled that number in 8 days.
It's probably going to take two or four weeks before we see the impact of the decision by Texas and all the states that rejected social distancing measures. By then, the number of cases due to infection by asymptomatic carriers should have seen a spike, if medical experts are right. If that happens, it would take many more tragic months to get this virus under control in the U.S., I think. The coronavirus numbers are most likely to increase in the next month or so. With the lack of preventive measures in place, this thing isn't over IMO. By comparison, there were 34,200 deaths from influenza during the 2018-2019 season in the United States. In 2017-2018, there were 61,000 deaths, which coronavirus is expected to exceed. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
The president is ‘failing the American people’ as a war-time leader, longtime Trump backer Piers Morgan says T_Man
Trump will be tweeting nasty stuff about Piers tomorrow. He just attacks to deflect his incompetency. He's been doing that for over 3 long painful years. I have never in my life been so embarrassed and disgusted by the leader of our country.
I have a good friend who's an MD , he's posted a treasure trove of information over on the Texans board ..... in discussing the "re-opening" with him , he think's its a horrible idea .... that we'll see a massive spike of cases , hospitalizations and .... deaths. In a months time , we could likely be in the same dire straights that New York was in in terms of hospital space. Problem is , until there's a vaccine , there is no good time to restart. Not when its world wide and there is so much international travel , someone somewhere is gonna catch it , bring it back and spread it again. This is something we're going to live with for a while , just hope like hell you don't catch it ....
Yeah, that is the scary part. I'm sure a lot of countries will feel the same about flights coming from America, when restrictions lift. Until there is a vaccine, I am afraid to travel anywhere. There is simply no social distancing on an airplane, unless of course you have your own plane, and can fly your family to your daddy's private closed down golf club like Ivanka and her family did last week. Domestic travel, when restrictions lift scares me as much as International travel. There is no escaping someone sitting right next to you, arms touching unless you fly first class. Even then, you can't avoid close contact with airline personnel and travelers. Nursing homes need immediate attention, in providing a safe place for their residents. This shouldn't be happening, and they need better protection, and far more rapid testing. It's wrong, unethical, and immoral. Vegas is dying to reopen, and casinos, shows, and all those masses of travelers coming from all over is such a scary thought. Gamblers next to each other at tables, slot machines, and so on spreading germs around like crazy. Can you imagine amusement parks, bowling alleys, and the likes, with people sharing shoes, balls, grabbing the same hand rails on rides, crammed in rollercoasters grabbing the same handrails, and all? Add in schools, kids with their hands and mouth on everything, sneezing, snotting, sitting crammed in cafeterias and classrooms, grouped together on a carpet, sharing toys they've had in their mouth? I could go on and on, and it's all scary. Add in barbers, beauty salons, dentists, doctor's offices, waiting rooms, and all the other places we simply will need or want to go to when restrictions lift, and it's a risk. Life has changed as we never knew it, just like things did after 911. Airports and security ramped up, and travel was never as easy as it used to be. Coronavirus is now a life changing event, but with so much more fear, and so many more deaths. Moving too fast, before there is a vaccine is risky for so many. Even with a vaccine, only time will tell how effective it is. Life simply won't ever be as easy as it once was. My heart goes out to all those people who have lost their family members so far.
Lol thanks for all the visuals. Without comprehensive testing this is like pissing into gale force winds
I share some of the concern. Reopening is going to cause a spike. But I've gone into this with a fatalistic attitude with politicians saying half the planet is going to get infected eventually. So I'm not really trying to avoid infections or deaths, just trying to avoid having more cases at one time than we have capacity to serve them. But this is a pretty small step in re-opening. For the stores that get a relaxation of the rules, they may not want to even take it -- they'd incur variable costs to staff the store and then only serve a tiny fraction of their usual traffic. The other thing I worry about is liberal reactionaryism. Because Trump has adopted the re-opening thing and what he advocates looks unwise, the natural reaction for his political enemies is to say the opposite thing. And it's probably the right thing right now but there will come a time when it is the right time to re-open and the liberals are going to miss it because they're so busy opposing Trump. They'll insist on a Goldilocks scenario of a gold-plated test-and-trace capability that we'll never achieve before re-opening and end up over-emphasizing public health to their own political detriment. I think we should at least wait until we get over the peak before changing anything, and we should continue to increase our testing capabilities, but I want to avoid falling into the trap of being overly contrarian about re-opening. That's the right direction to go in eventually, so I don't want disagreement on the pace to overshadow that.
I tend to agree with you. One thing I would look at is comparing our policy and speed of opening compared to other similar nations. While it is just a single indicator, it still provides some idea. I find it odd that Texas is touting being the first one to open when in reality that isn’t the case. The measures put forth by the governor are far more moderate than I expected. I found the opening of parks first a little odd but I can deal with that. Really all of this is going to depend on the infection/death rate people are willing to tolerate.
I agree with this. I also think no one's listening to the right people. Trump is basically listening to economists and dismissing the scientists. Others are listening to medical experts and dismissing economists. If you're just talking "how to minimize the disease", economists are irrelevant and the scientists are 100% right. But if you're talking about "how does society function", both are important voices. Economists don't understand disease and spread and things like that, and scientists aren't experts on what kind of damage is caused by economic freefalls or whether people will start ignoring stay-at-home orders if too strict or too long or things like that. These economic-reopening councils that are formed primarily by one side or the other are both doomed to fail. Along with the medical experts and economists, you probably also need some sociology experts and a few other fields to figure this all out.
who is asking to not open even those 2 pre requisites are met? or which states have clearly met those 2 pre requisites?
It's just sad that a crisis of this magnitude is seen through political lens for so many people. But that's where we are and we will continue to be like this as long as we have a POTUS that politicize crisis. There is a real cost here due to this political environment - the economy and people health. Economy and Health are interdependent, in particular, the economy depends on good health. You can open up the economy completely and people aren't going to show up if they are dropping like flies. A re-peak or multiple peaks would hurt like hell, not just in #, but societal moral and everyone, market and busn included, confidence in our ability to response. There should be a balance, but I would be more conservative and err on the side of medical experts at this time until we have more data that indicate opening up without adequate testing, tracing, isolation in place is okay or that we have that or another effective system in place that allow opening up more. Even thought these are all-busn team, I do think they will weight public health. There, however, is bound to be a state or two that wouldn't and they will pay the price for it.
