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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by gr8-1, Sep 30, 2001.

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  1. DVauthrin

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    chris deserves to start, im sorry freak but im a UT student and major isnt the same after two knee surgeries, besides simms has the bigger arm and is making smart decisions this yr, not forcing the ball to one guy like last yr. Yesterday vs. Tech that performance was outstanding.

    Anyways, i think next week we will get our revenge and be on our way to Pasadena
     
  2. gr8-1

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    BTW, UT is a 3 point favorite. Wow.
     
  3. Baqui99

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    Major has had two pretty significant knee surgeries and may have lost a step or two. Simms is starting to hit his stride. I think that he's started only like 11 games in his career. He's getting better every game, and it's easier on him knowing that he doesn't have to look over his shoulder at Applewhite.

    My roommate last summer, Chance Mock, will still have two years of eligibility left to start after Simms leaves. BTW, Simms never considered transferring to another school. He has repeatedly said that he loves the school, his teammates, the fans, and most of all, the chicks (he's screwed just about half the girls on the soccer team and a bunch of chi-omegas).
     
  4. Smokey

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    Ouch is an understatement! I just saw it on the highlights. It hurt to watch it. Time to kick the punter's ass for floating it in the air.
     
  5. gr8-1

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    Smokey, Leach's ass should be kicked, he called the play. They were trying to get an PI call I think. How alert of Vasher to get break it up though.
     
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    I know, I was pretty surprised he made the play. I mean I know you should always be paying attention but how many times as the punt returner do you think you're about to have to break up a pass play. Damn good job. And the hit, geez, that was just nasty. That guy probably won't be volunteering for the fake punt receiver position any time soon.
     
  7. Desert Scar

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    Simms is better than Applewhite. Applewhite just can't throw the defense stretching mid to long range routes that you need to be in efficient in moving vertically. In previous years teams with opponents that have really good corners could play close to the line on receivers and get away with it too often (versus Applewhite). That is a riskier strategy with Simms and it makes the whole UT offense much tougher to deal with. It is great to have Applewhite there just in case something happens to Simms though.

    As for OU-UT, I think it is OU that will have to play the near perfect game to win. But OU's defense is excellent and have played a number near perfect games over the last year and 1/2, so I don't count them out by any stretch of the imagination. If Simms makes 2-3 major errors, the Sooners will capitalize and will win. The other thing in OU's favor is a bid coaching advantage (head and staff), it does concern me a little that the OU coach started preparing for UT during there off weak even before they played KSU--that coach is quite the little bugger.

    I do think UT is going to win this one however, I can't imagine the UT players and coaches won't be focused and prepared because of last years debacle. K-State really took it to OU in the second half, OU's QB and whole team was not the same the second half. That game had to take a ton out of the OU players and exposed weaknesses that UT will be ready for. And cleary Hyple (sp.) cannot handle the blitz like last years QB could.

    My prediction, 27-17 UT winning.
     
  8. SamCassell

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    I predict UT 30, OU 27. Still a little surprised about Texas being favored to win, considering the outcome of the last game.

    I do think Chris has played well enough this season to earn the start, instead of it being handed to him based on potential. I don't see the reason for bashing Major though. What did he do to deserve the criticism? Can someone point to the game where all of a sudden he ceased to be a good starting collegiate QB? Arm strength isn't the only part of being a quarterback, after all.
     
  9. gr8-1

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    Simms has improved with each game. The thing I like about Mack is that he seems to know what the teams problems are this year. He makes adjustments.

    He knew the 2 QB thing was disastrous, so he went with one QB.

    He knew after the 1st 2 games that we have to go downfield more.

    He knew that running up the middle with Ike on 1st down wasn't productive, so we throw more. Ivan outplays Ike, so he's the starter now.

    Our defense is better with DJ in it, so DJH starts now. He's learned from his mistakes.

    Blitzing the spread offense leaves you suseptible to big plays. Against Tech, he came out with a 3-4 defense and played a pretty soft zone.

    Francis 4 prez, Leach went for it 7 times on 4th down. Unbelievable. But, if Vasher hadn't of seen that play, Tech gets a 1st down, I think.
     
  10. Smokey

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    <B>Simms is better than Applewhite. Applewhite just can't throw the defense stretching mid to long range routes that you need to be in efficient in moving vertically. </B>

    Applewhite has incredible deep-passing ability, and has shown more in that respect than Simms thus far. For a perfect example, check the Tech game in 1998 where he threw 4 or 5 deep 40+ yard type passes in the air. He shredded the defense downfield. Simms throws a bunch more 3-5 yard passes than Applewhite does. That could be the playcalling or it could be Simms, but Applewhite definitely threw downfield effectively.

    The only game Simms has really thrown deep effectively & consistently thus far was A&M last year, where he was phenomenal. Simms' best games are about equal to Applewhite's best games, but Applewhite was better in his average games. Simms, however, does appear to be improving. Personally, I still think Applewhite should have been the starter and should still be the starter. Until Simms can do it against a good defense, I'll continue to think that. This week is his chance to prove me wrong :), and I hope he does, of course.

    <B>In previous years teams with opponents that have really good corners could play close to the line on receivers and get away with it too often (versus Applewhite). </B>

    Don't forget that until last year, UT didn't have superstar receivers in Roy Williams, BJ Johnson, Sloan Thomas, and Bo Scaife. Last year, Williams & BJ averaged something like 20 yards per catch, and 40+ per TD catch. I think that shows Applewhite's ability to both throw deep and throw to people in positions where they can run after the catch.
     
  12. cson

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    boomersoonerboomersoonerboomersooner
     
  13. Smokey

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    thanks for the laugh :)

    the land thieves will scatter once the schooner tips.
     
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    Oh Smokey, that was funny!!!!!!:D
     
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    I didn't mean I was suprised Leach went for it I meant I was surprised Vasher was ready. I mean it's one thing to have them go for it like it's a normal play on 4th down but to be in punt formation and then throw a pass you've gotta be pretty alert to react so fast. And Tech definitely had a first down since the pass was pretty damn good for a punter. Maybe we should recruit him to start over Simms.
     
  16. gr8-1

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    Well, Cavil and McGarity in their senior years were probably as good as the big 3 right now. Now when the big 3 are seniors, it won't even be close.

    Bottom line, no matter what Simms does, we will always have a differece of opinion. This obviously isn't as clear cut as Elway over Kubiak, so I guess it's best if we all stop b!tching about it and root for the team. :)
     
  18. DVauthrin

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    major still would be a very successful college qb, but all i was saying is the knee surgeries have cut down on his already weak mobility

    LET ME REPEAT ONCE AND FOR ALL

    Chris Simms HASNT DONE ANYTHING TO LOSE THE JOB, he has been very mistake free these first 4 games, thus i get very upset when fans watch simms throw a ball away as hes about to get sacked(like against UNC) and they start booing him, the guy PREVENTED a big loss, thats usually a good thing

    Personally, I think Simms will lead us to where we all expect and want to go, the Rose Bowl in Pasadena

    This week Stoops and Company better evacuate Dallas friday because well be raining bombs ALL DAY saturday

    We will get our revenge and it will be SWEEEEEET!!!!!!
    HORNS 35 OU 20
     
  19. Desert Scar

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    I agree, Applewhite has often had very good targets to throw to except for early last year when the fresh were not playing well yet. Also, remember against the Ducks and Aggies last year, Simms was excellent. If it weren't for the dropped passes, Simms game against Oregon (not a bad team) would have been spectacular.

    Shanna, I agree Applewhite has a nice deep touch. What I was referring to (mid-long passes ) were 20-25 yard passes (e.g., deep outs). Those type passes are the bread and butter of the really good verticle passing teams (e.g., Florida, Miami & Kentucky when Couch was there). Sure hitting a bomb is nice, but Simms hits the more reliable mid-long verticle plays plus gets the ball quicker to the receivers on other mid range plays (crossing routes, posts, hooks mid-range outs) that can be your consistent gainers of chunks of yards. Applewhite might be better at both the dinks and the occasional bombs that requite touch, but those plays should not be your bread and butter. I think Simms simply puts more pressure on the elite college defenses than Applewhite can.
     
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    <B>Sure hitting a bomb is nice, but Simms hits the more reliable mid-long verticle plays plus gets the ball quicker to the receivers on other mid range plays (crossing routes, posts, hooks mid-range outs) that can be your consistent gainers of chunks of yards</B>

    That's true. My biggest real concern with Simms is what he will do when he's under pressure. Major's biggest asset was that when the game was close, he could make the big plays. Simms may be able to, but we truly have no idea. He has yet to play in a "big" drive.

    <B>If it weren't for the dropped passes, Simms game against Oregon (not a bad team) would have been spectacular. </B>

    Unfortunately, I didn't get to see all of the Oregon game due to a wedding, but yeah, there were several throws there that were the fault of the receivers. But didn't he also throw 3 or 4 interceptions in that game? I might be thinking of something else -- not really sure.

    <B>Chris Simms HASNT DONE ANYTHING TO LOSE THE JOB, he has been very mistake free these first 4 games, </B>

    DV, I agree with that. I think he should never have been given the starting job in the first place. However, given his performance thus far, I don't think he should be benched at this point.


    <B>Well, Cavil and McGarity in their senior years were probably as good as the big 3 right now</B>

    I disagree on this part. First, those two weren't good in the same years. Each had one spectacular year, so Applewhite had one primary target rather than 4. Also, McGarity had the speed -- even after like 6 knee surgeries -- and Cavil had the strength, but the current crop all have both. McGarity didn't catch short passes, and Cavil didn't have any kind of breakaway speed or open-field moves.

    ESPN rated Roy Williams the best player (not receiver) in the country, and the receiving corps as possibly the best in college football history <I>this year</I>. Yes, that's a bit extreme on ESPN's part, but the point is that this receiving corps as a whole easily outclasses anything UT has ever put out there before, in my opinion.

    Can anyone name our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers while McGarity in 1998 and Cavil in 1999?
     

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