no matter who seems to lose in front of us, they stay ahead of us in the next poll, even in they're losing to an unranked team like cal. Starting at #3, losing in triple overtime to Cal, and having beaten some good teams will leave you higher than starting at #6, getting dominated on both ends of the ball by an unranked Arkansas, and having beaten powerhouses like Rice and Tulane.
This barrage of personal insults is the result of losing another argument. You feel the need to drop to that level in this exchange, while I don't. Hmm... I wonder why... Here is the whipping: Total Yards: Arkansas: 438 (34.4% more than Texas) Texas: 326 Yards Rushing - A measure of phsyical dominance at the line of scrimmage Arkansas: 265 (327% more than Texas) Texas: 62 Time of Possession: Arkansas: 35:12 (42% more than Texas) Texas: 24.48 You fail to mention that the one turnover by Arkansas was run back 77 yards for a touchdown. That fortuitous bounce kept Texas from being blown out. With this statement, you have successfully made the point *against yourself*. The reason why it shocked you is that you had an unrealistic expectation of UT's ability, talent, quality of team. You still hold on to that unrealistic expectation, despite overwhelming hard evidence to the contrary. You rely too much on outdated recruiting lists and highly subjective draft projections. This game should have taught you a lesson -- but it didn't. Again you, tozai, and gr8-1 fail to grasp my point. This was not a 'true upset'. As the season has progressed, we see that Arkansas is a very good team. A true upset can only occur when a bad team beats a good team. These assessments can only be measured after evaluating a team over the course of the season. In the portion of the season that has been played, UT's performance does not suggest that they are better than Arkansas. Arkansas' performance suggests that they are better than UT. This was not an upset. I think it to be *highly* presumptuous to assume that UT will fare much better than Arkansas over the remainder of the season, the only scenario which would make Arkansas' win over Texas a 'true upset'. Your argument is on very weak ground with that as its basis. Again, as to my point above, this upset can only be evaluated with the benefit of context. Texas showed that it was the superior team over time. Had Stanford had an undefeated season in the season that they beat Texas, then this is not an upset, and your point is ruined. You do not have this context as you currently make assessments of Arkansas' team versus Texas' team. Again, the timing of your argument is highly premature and presumptuous. Very subjective and flemsy argument. It didn't look weird to me. It looked like one team ran the ball at will, and that team won the game. Pretty simple to understand, really. Uh...the harder argument is arguing that a team which got manhandled by another team has greater talent than the victors. That's the harder argument. 38-28, that's how. CASE CLOSED
Actually, you have the locations reversed. We killed them 69-17 at DKR and lost to them the next year in Palo Alto. Don't worry about T_J guys. You could survey every single expert out there and I guarantee that 99% of them would agree that UT, despite being manhandled that day by Arkansas, has better talent. T_J, who has better talent, Oklahoma State or Oklahoma? Oklahoma State manhandled Oklahoma last year. I guess it's them, right?
Please give it up TJ No one's buying your point. No one said Arkansas sucked. They were underrated, they are a good team. Texas won't necessarily show they are a better team, but they are talent-wise, whether you want to admit it or not. I hope no one tries to go line by line on your same crap over and over, it's getting old. Now, ON TO THE GAME...
Use a lot of 4-4 this week. Put our smartest, fastest and best tacklers on the outside of the 4-4, and if we can I would put one safety deep, just in case. Make Roberson throw to beat you, and if we put DJ and another great LB on the other side, Roberson and Sproles will find life miserable. Plus spread the 4 down lineman out, so they can tackle on the outside as well. Also, on the corners, jam the WR's at the line. Offensively, use Roy, BJ, and Sloan over the top. WR streaks, hitch and go, WR post, I don't care. Heck, add Selvin and Brett to the passing game too. But I think we need to give K-State a healthy dose of Cedric saturday. That defense got abused by a bigger physical Marshall line two weeks ago. Our O-line is bigger than Marshall's. We ought to be able to knock their smallish d-line off the ball, forcing LB's and safeties up. That's when you hit our WR's deep, or our TE's over the middle for long gains. I think it will be a good game, and may the best team win. Hopefully that's the Horns.
Pleeeease. Why don't you stick to Rice baseball, something you know a lot about? Have you watched Matt Jones throw a pass? He throws one of the worst balls I have ever seen. The fact he has passed well this year stuns the heck out of me. Oh, and who since Texas has the mighty hogs beaten? North Texas, and Alabama. Neither of those teams are "elite teams" and Bama choked on Saturday. Arkansas was very fortunate. Arkansas elite ranking is based on their win in Austin, plain and simple. I'm well aware UT has rebounded against the likes of Rice and Tulane as well, but I'm not debating on how good UT is. They have a lot to prove these next two games. It was an upset, TJ. If you really think Arkansas has a qb like Vince Young, or even Chance Mock, WR's like Roy Williams or linebackers like Derrick Johnson, you need help. I was at the game. UT's defensive coordinator had more to do with Arkansas' offense than the Razorbacks themselves. When you play your guys 5 yards off the line against a running team, what happens? You get killed. Plus, you could just tell who wanted the game. We made a big play to cut their lead to 7 and the very next kickoff return UT allows a 50 yard run back. And then there was third and 30 from the 2. Come on. If UT had not shot themselves in the foot with 3 turnovers, they still might have won. And this was in a game where you showed they got dominated. For getting dominated, losing by 10 points must be due to something. Oh wait, its that thing called talent, which Mack Brown recruits every year. We will know more about both teams after a few more weeks. The Hogs still haven't played LSU, UGA, Tennessee, or Florida yet. UT has KSU, OU, Tech and A&M. But in terms of pure talent, UT certaintly has more. Our coaching coordinators can make it look the other way around a lot though, which is why UT fans b**** so much. We know how good we can be if utilized properly, but we see our coordinators doing idiotic things almost every week and we know why things look the way they do. Arkansas was better that Saturday than UT, no doubt. But if these teams played 10 times, UT would win more than half, easily.
You answered it by retreating to the position that such and such is a "superior team" when your original assertion, which you are no longer defending, apparently, and which people are still assaulting was that Texas did not have more, using your words "natural talent" than Arkansas. In other words, two completely different debates. But thanks for seeing the light and dropping your silly claim, albeit only implicitly.
I really hate showing off like this and picking on the weak sisters of the board, but if I must... Sam, please re-read the point about historical context of victories.
I hate to do this, but T.J. is right about Texas getting whipped in that game. It doesn't mean that Arkansas has more talent, but without that late turnover, Arkansas was on their way to going up by three touchdowns. The game wasn't as close as the score indicated.
No doubt UT got embarrassed, but let's not forget BJ's fumble inside the redzone early in the game when UT was about to tie the game, then you have Chance Mock's fumble on the Arkansas 35 with UT driving to cut it to 7. For all of Arkansas dominance on offense, and they were, UT was in this game until that 3rd and 30 from the 2 in the 4th quarter. It wasn't a blowout, even though by the stats one would think it should have been. But if we take out Dakari's TD while counting the one UT was about to get when BJ fumbled inside the 20, it negates itself.
Damn, will you all give up TJ? Let it go... I'm pretty sure they're assigning DJ to cover Sproles. Too bad our fastest players (DBs) can't tackle. If Ell and Sproles can get away from the rush, it will be ugly depending on our mini-safeties to tackle them. If we mug, it will be ugggly. If we try to blitz our safeties, it could be a long game. I agree that we should force Ell to pass, but I think our number one concern should be containing Sproles. That guy is very underrated. On offense, I hope they split VY 50-50 with Chance instead of 2:1, and please don't be scared to put Vince in if we're behind. If we throw horizontally again I think I'll go crazy. Even though it was Tulane, there was so much encouraging about the kind of plays we called. Hopefully we'll keep doing those things, bring forth some new things, be able to save some for OU, and get everyone involved (SLOAN, TE's, FB's). I also don't necessarily like the idea of trying to establish the run first. We should do whatever they give us. If they got 9 in the box, then air it out and make them pay.
I agree you take what the defense gives us, but I don't expect Snyder to load up the box until we prove we can run it down their throat. And with our size at O-Line plus a talented back in benson, along with K-State's lack of size on the D-Line, should = big ground game. Will it? Who knows... But hopefully Davis and the offense saw the Marshall game, especially how they abused K-State d-line off the ball. We have the talent and size to do the same thing. Executing it on gameday is a different story however.
