Your argument is becoming narrower and narrower. Now your assessment of the team's two levels of talent is supported by your opinion of *one player*? I'd say this case is closed, folks.
Damn, I guess that means N. Illinois is more talented than Maryland and Alabama. Cal is more talented than USC. Ohio State was more talented than Miami last year. Louisiana Tech was more talented than Michigan State, Ga Tech over Auburn, South Carolina over Virginia, Bowling Green over Purdue, and Notre Dame over WSU, need I go on? You don't have any argument, You think if one team beats another than they're more talented. Texas was not physically manhandled stopping the ground game. Our LBs were being used as d-linemen, so obviously 250 vs. 300 lbs, who's going to win? Anyway, you don't make any sensible point, your argument is a joke, no one is saying Arkansas is not a talented team. Texas is more talented, however, whether you want to admit it or not. That's all I'm going to say because you obviously don't understand.
No your case is closed, SF just gave a bad argument. Starting 11, 2-deep, any way you want to look at it, we had the players. No more for me.
Look, this is the bottom line: Talent is not something that can be *objectively* evaluated. Recruiting lists and draft projections have a huge subjective element to them and are not perfect gauges of talent for many reasons. In the absence of a true objective gauge of talent, you must look to the on-field performance. While exceptions will be made in the case of true upsets, it is hard to call an outright whipping an 'upset'. You can't claim you are the most talented, if you can't back it up on the field at some point. Arkansas has backed it up this year with two quality wins. Until a data point emerges that changes the picture, then UT fans don't have much of an argument. If Texas were the most talented team in the Big XII, they would have won a conference championship at some point over Mack's tenure.
You're a glutton for punishment today:. Here's all the players excluding freshman, Count 'em up: http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/valueboard.htm http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/2005mockdraft.htm http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/2006mockdraft.htm Then get back to me
Major, your point assumes that the recruiting guru's and draft experts are better judges of talent than actual results on the field of play. My point has nothing to do with the talent level of either team. It has to do with the fact that you have not provided ANY supporting evidence of your claim while simultaneously deriding others for the same. If you actually considered reading a post before replying, you would have seen that I made no claim whatsoever about the relatively talent levels of either team. Nice try at changing the subject, though.
Texas players are more talented than Arkansas players. Arkansas coaches are more talented than Texas coaches. That about sums it up...
man this is almost as bad as DavidS trying to argue jr bremer is better than francis and then saying francis was the one who had to prove it wrong. i guess the recruiting gurus just got it wrong on everyone of the 5 stars we got. and all the nfl draft gurus are lying too. it's all about hyping UT and screwing yourself in the process by drafting non-talented players just to hype UT. of course, it's so simple. it can't be the coaching. as for the game, i can't believe we're favored by 6. two evenly ranked teams and the home team has already lost at home and the road team's only loss was w/o it's star qb? man, i was thinking favored by 1.5 or 2. i should bring a sign to gameday with maybe, maybe no written in some sort of context, but i'll be lucky if i'm conscious at 9:30 on a saturday, much less able to strategically plan where to hold my sign and such.
and tj, if you're gonna be a rice fan about things (i.e. pretend your football team doesn't exist so you don't have to talk about them and thus just shoot barbs at others) at least stick to the old standby's like we can't beat ou or something, not we don't have a crapload of talent.
Texas 30 K-State 24 going with the current Vegas line of Texas -6 and a likely over/under of 54 or so. Money has flowed in K-State's direction. The line started out at Texas -7.
as for the game, i can't believe we're favored by 6. two evenly ranked teams and the home team has already lost at home and the road team's only loss was w/o it's star qb? man, i was thinking favored by 1.5 or 2. I'm a little surprised about that too. I think Texas will win by a Td or so, but I think its because I am biased. If I were a neutral fan, I would pick K-State as of now. They are top-5 if Roberson is healthy all year.
So trader jorge, do you think marshall is more talented than ksu? Cal is more talented than usc? Do you think that wsu is 35 points more talented than oregon? atm beat ou last year. You don't think atm is more talented than ou, do you? Could the team have come out flat? Could the oregon players been schemed wrong? Could the wsu coaches have prepared his team to win? You're saying that the more talented team always wins? I'll agree to that if there were a larger sample size. But, anything can happen in one given game? Did UT come out flat? Were they not ready to play? Were they slow and weak? Take your disdain of the haughty Horns out of your analysis. We all know that you hate UT. I hate OU, but I have to give them credit when it's due.
You really don't know much, do you? Your confidence is quite silly (as is often the case with you; you'd argue that the sky is beige, while belittling the other guy for being such an idiot as to think the sky is blue). 1. Where was the "whipping?" The game was decided by 10 points. Three UT turnovesr to 1 Arkansas turnover was really the difference, in all probability. Arkansas dominated the line of scrimmage. That shocked me. But that domination of the line of scrimmage did not equate to domination of the game. 2. Your methodology is still fundamentally flawed. No matter what you argue, you still can't account for true upsets. The victor on the field isn't always better. That's true in any sport - less in football than most sports, but it's still true a substantial portion of the time in which the higher ranked team loses. Let's take a couple of obvious examples: Texas v. Stanford a few years back. They absolutely destroyed them in Stanford. Then, for some bizarre reason, they got outplayed at home the very next year, despite losing few players. Texas almost certainly had better players. It didn't happen for them that game. I mentioned that the UT-Arkansas game was one of the 4-5 weirdest games I'd soon in terms of talent not mattering. The game I'm most familiar with, that was even weirder incidentally... was BC v. Temple a few years ago. Somehow, BC managed to lose - and get outplayed - to a team that ended up having like 5 fewer wins at the end of the season. BC was better against the same opponents. BC had a better record. BC slaughtered Temple the year before and the year after. BC had several legitimate pro-prosects; I'm not sure Temple had a single one. Yet for that single game, Temple was better. It happens. 3. I really don't see why you're taking the harder argument (although it may just be because you enjoy trolling, and Texas is a great target for that). Want to argue that Arkansas is better than Texas because of an aggregation of chemistry, coaching, etc? I'll think about it. But the talent factors? UT has better players going in. They have better players going out (into the NFL). Hell, the two teams compete for the exact same players pretty much. Except UT wins just about every recruiting battle the two teams have. And then those players, that Arkansas wants but can't get... go into training with better facilities, etc. How could they possibly be more talented?
So who thinks UT has a chance to win the National Title still. If they win the next 2 games I wonder where they will be ranked then?
probably still at 13. because the media seems to think our loss to arkansas was the worst loss in the history of college football or something. no matter who seems to lose in front of us, they stay ahead of us in the next poll, even in they're losing to an unranked team like cal.
Easily in the top ten. If they run the table, they'll be in the mnc game, imo. Miami/FSU take each other out next week. Obviously Miami looks vulnerable. I didn't know wvu was as talented as Miami.
