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Texas to play in Alamo Bowl / Rutgers in Texas Bowl

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by oomp, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. Desert Scar

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    Based on the below comments, I think it would be a good thing.

    Mack Brown should be pissed, not showing all these pleasentries (sp?). The whole coaching staff and team rested on their laurels when finshing out the weaker portion of their schedule still would have got them a chance to defend the national title. To top it off you play lackluster at home to the Aggies and let them run it down our throats. There is nothing positive about the end of the this season.

    There should be anger and focus coming out 40 acres. It is time for this 40something week holiday for the players and coaches to be over. The Texas Longhorns were among the most underachieving teams of the past college football season. We are the only team initially ranked in the top 8 in either the AP or Coaches poll to now be out of the top 15. These are facts. Last year was incredible, but it is over, let's get back into the business of kicking *** and taking names.

    The Cowboys have been to the most superbowls, and tied for most wins. The Cowboys have been 1-2 on merch sales for decades. They have the most national games over decades. They are the one team even in down years that bring ratings. They bring fans to whever they go. That is why they are America's team. And yes they are comparable to the Yankees and Nueter Dame in popular recognition. UT just doesn't have that, though they are #1 in mech sales now I believe, so they could get there with another 10 or 20 year run of dominance in the big sports.
     
  2. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    I am not a Cowboy fan but I GUARANTEE that I DO see a LOT of Cowboy jerseys/fans here in NYC. The Latin community up here are ALL COWBOY FANS. They don't root for the Giants, Bears, or any other team. Hell, even in my office there are at least 25% Cowboy fans. At the Giants game this year, about 1/3 of the fans were Cowboys. Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Cowboys but THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!
     
  3. Desert Scar

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    I agree, and I would say SteAler fans are next. Though I have absolutely no reason why anyone would choose to root for that wretched Stealer team and franchise even if they happened to live in Pittsburgh, let alone somewhere else. I guess Lucifer has his ways, all the way to the Zebras in last years SuperFix Bowl.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    All right angry cowboy fans, calm down. All I said was that JackFruit's (shockingly, a die hard Aggie and UT hater and a Cowboy booster) contention that the Cowboys were on a different plane, vis a vis their sport, than the Longhorns, and that it was silly to even consider the idea that the Longhorns were in a comparable position, is a stupid thing to say. The Cowboys are one of the top teams in the NFL historically, along with GB, the Bears, the 49'rs, and some others. In the same vein, the Longhorns are college football royalty along with Michigan, ND, OSU, USC, etc.

    Rocket Rich - you must live in Queens, because in Manhattan there are no cowboys fans on a sunday. Walk up and down third avenue in the 30's where there's about 20-30 sports bars. Lots of jerseys - no cowboys. But yes, the Cowboy's are Mexico's team no doubt.

    PS, if the Cowboys win 5 more super bowls, they'll finally be ahead of Green Bay for most championships. :p
     
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    I lived in Tribeca and I have a house in NJ 10 minutes away from Giants Stadium and I work at Sirius by Rockefeller center so what's your point. Cowboy fans ARE everywhere. Just because you don't see them, don't mean they don't exist. There are latin people that live in the 30s by the way as well as work there. (By the way, I'm NOT Latin)
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Including myself.
     
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    Anytime I've been outside of Texas going to sports bars to watch NFL, I see a ton of Cowboys fans.
     
  8. Desert Scar

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    Ask Cleveland if they equate pre-Superbowl NFL championships to Superbowls. Houston as a City has another title if you count the Areos (sp) too. Football in the Superbowl era have taken on a different national and local meaning, that is why franchise success by most folks is measured by them.

    Besides, it is just the Superbowls that set the Cowboys apart. Even when they are down people still watch and buy.

    But Sam I go agree with your point that UT is in the college football royalty. But they don't have the same buzz even when they suck like Nueter Dame does. That is like the Cowboys thing, or Yankees thing.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    A lot of people have argued that NBA titles in the 90's without Jordan or the Lakers and Celtics don't mean as much.

    Doesn't mean that they're not titles, does it?

    And btw, if you're equating the pre-merger NFL with the World Hockey League - that's just dumb. The pre-merger NFL was huge business (ever hear of the Ice Bowl? The 1958 "Greatest Game Ever Played"? That's a lot of great players you're effectively sending down to the minors.

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  10. Desert Scar

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    Of course I was being tongue and cheek there.

    But people don't count the National League and American Association of baseball pre 1903 winners as "World Series" winners.

    World Cup victories are counted after it was created in 1930, not before even if the Olymipics or other international competitions had soccer (aka, unAmerican Football)

    Pro Football is most recognized after the AFL joined the NFL and the Superbowl was the battle of the winner. The Superbowl is the pinnacle event of football. Before then all other championships were a lesser (much fewer competitors, much less media attention) and differrent entity, in fact college bowls could have rivaled them and many college greats did not play in the NFL. The only ones who consider AFL or NFL stand alone championships as equivalent to Superbowls are those without a lot of Superbowl success.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    1950's & 60's football is a lot closer to the modern game than 1902 baseball.

    Honestly, if I was saying that the Decatur Staleys or the Oorang Indians were NFL champs that would be one thing - but I'm not. Nor is it like the Oilers 1960 AFL championship.

    The NFL Champion was a huge deal, and was considered the ultimate in Pro Football for a long time, cause that's what it was.

    In fact, because of this, the first Superbowls were treated like the Pro Bowl and got low TV ratings. It wasn't even the Super Bowl then - it was the "NFL AFL Championship Game" and it was an afterthought to most football fans. It was not until after the Jets won in 1969 that people began to take it seriously. Your view of "before then all championships are meaningless" is revisionist, to put it very mildly.

    You're right, I have no super bowl success. But you have no NFL championship success - (nor do the cowboys, for that matter, despite years of trying, or the Steelers)

    Anyway, Green Bay has won 3 superbowls. So has Washington.....etc. I guess you can call that "not a lot" of superbowl success, but it's tied for second most.

    I agree - that the since the Super Bowl era, the Cowboys have tied for the most wins, but shortsighted Cowboys fans like to pretend the NFL didn't exist before 1970. Sorry guys, but it did - and the Cowboys were even in it, and it was a BIG deal. They didn't name it the "Vince Lombardi Trophy" for nothing.
     
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  12. Rocket Fan

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    Looks like the Texas Bowl is on NFL Network. Hope the Rutgers fans have that channel! At least it says on the texasbowl.org site that it is on NFL Network.
     
  13. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Yea..its on the NFL Network and a lot people in NJ are upset about that. Oh well, that's what they get for dropping that pass in the endzone against WVU.
     
  14. Jackfruit

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    Wow. I don't know which posts of mine you have been reading to reach these conclusions. Yes I am an Aggie, but I would hardly call myself diehard. I am not a UT hater, and I hate the Cowboys like grim death.

    I really don't think I have a single post on this BBS that support your assertions. Feel free to prove me wrong if any of my posts came off like that.
     
  15. mleahy999

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    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-12-06-bowl-payouts_x.htm

    If you thought the B12 bowl line up stunk, think again.

    Texas Bowl: $500,000 for Big East, $750,000 for Big 12

    Rutgers with their best season ever and barely edged out of a BCS game; ends up at this bottom tier bowl. Then the kick in the junk comes with getting paid 1/3 less than the 7th place B12 team.
     
  16. oomp

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    Texas Bowl News. Rutgers fans should have the right to see their game.

    Washington Post

    Bowl Games Could Help NFL Network

    By Les Carpenter and Thomas Heath
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Saturday, December 9, 2006; Page E07

    When the NFL Network won its bids on a pair of college bowl games this year, it realized it was getting more than just a foothold on another level of football. It also would find itself fighting on another tier with the cable companies that are refusing to carry the three-year-old channel on their systems.

    When the pairings for those two bowl games were announced this week, the league, already challenging the cable providers to a fight over NFL games, discovered just how much additional leverage it had. The Texas Bowl on Dec. 28 will pit Rutgers against Kansas State, and the next day's Insight Bowl will feature Texas Tech against Minnesota. All are located in or near markets affected by three of the biggest cable holdouts: Time Warner, Cablevision and Charter Communications.

    Nowhere is the level of consternation higher than in New Jersey, where Rutgers is in the midst of its best season in three decades. Roughly 1.7 million of the state's 2.5 million cable subscribers viewers have either Cablevision, Time Warner or a non-digital level of Comcast service that does not allow them to get the NFL Network.

    "Going to the game is the way to guarantee seeing it live," said Rutgers deputy athletic director Kevin MacConnell. "We are working on it with the Big East. Obviously, considering we are in the biggest media market in the country and our TV ratings have been great, to have it over the air would be a win-win for everybody."

    This week, Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) sent a letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and NFL Network President Steve Bornstein asking the league to put the Rutgers-Kansas State game on a free television station in the New York-New Jersey market.

    "It's unacceptable that a majority of New Jerseyans may not be able to watch their state university play in a bowl game," Lautenberg said in a statement issued yesterday afternoon. "This is a dispute between the NFL and the cable companies and Rutgers fans shouldn't be used as leverage. If the NFL and the cable companies want to fight, let them. But that shouldn't stop the NFL from letting this game be shown on local broadcast television in New Jersey."

    NFL rules require the NFL Network to put the eight professional games it carries this year up for bid to free stations in the markets of the competing teams. Such a provision does not exist for college games.

    A league executive not authorized to speak publicly on the subject said the NFL is unable to offer the college telecasts to local stations because doing so would destroy the system of television rights fees which help guarantee payouts to competing schools.

    The cable companies allege the NFL has driven the price of its network higher than they are willing to pay for a station to run on its regular service; the companies have offered to put the network on a more expensive sports tier. The NFL contends the sports tier will keep its network from reaching a mainstream audience. The staredown will probably continue until the courts can settle a dispute between the NFL and Comcast, which are arguing over whether their deal allows the NFL Network to be moved to a sports tier.

    Already the NFL has had to explain its dispute with the cable companies before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which was looking into whether sports antitrust laws need to be reexamined.
     
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    Alamo Bowl Story

    Football: Twenty-two years later, Texas has chance to make up for miserable bowl loss to Iowa

    Web Posted: 12/06/2006 10:46 PM CST

    Jeff McDonald
    Express-News

    As a high school psychology teacher, Chris Duliban knows a thing or two about repressed memories and how they can be unlocked by the most random of cues.
    "Then, it's like a filing cabinet," he said. "It opens the door, and out comes the papers."


    As a former Texas linebacker, Duliban should have experienced one of those filing-cabinet moments earlier this week, when he cracked his morning newspaper to discover that his alma mater had been paired with Iowa in this year's Alamo Bowl.

    Duliban was a junior the only other time the Longhorns faced the Hawkeyes, in the 1984 Freedom Bowl. Iowa's 55-17 victory rates as one of the most embarrassing postseason pratfalls in UT history.

    News of the rematch, set for Dec. 30 at the Alamodome, should have triggered in Duliban a whole bureau-full of unpleasant recollections. Visions of Iowa quarterback Chuck Long throwing each of his six touchdown passes should have danced in his head.

    But some memories, Duliban says, are meant to stay repressed.

    "Chuck Long might have stepped on my throat once after throwing a touchdown," said Duliban, now a teacher at Hyde Park Baptist in Austin. "I'm not going to remember it."

    For most everyone else involved, from Austin to Iowa City, the night after Christmas of 1984 remains one that will not soon be forgotten.

    With the past soon poised to repeat itself, images of that dreary evening at the Freedom Bowl have sprung forth from the memory banks of Longhorns and Hawkeyes everywhere.

    Long, who threw for 461 yards that day to go with his six-pack of TDs, remembers it as the game that put Iowa on the national map. Jonathan Hayes, the Iowa tight end on the receiving end of two of Long's scorings tosses, remembers it as a triumph of David over Goliath, of media afterthought over media darling.

    Jerry Gray, the famed Longhorns free safety, remembers it simply as "the day we got Chuck Long drafted."

    History remembers it as the beginning of the end for embattled UT coach Fred Akers, who was fired two seasons later.

    Duliban remembers little, except not really wanting to be there in the first place.

    Similar to this year


    The Longhorns had been ranked No. 1 in the nation earlier that season before falling apart in November, losing three of their last four to land in a relatively obscure bowl game in Anaheim, Calif.
    UT players voted by the slimmest of margins — Duliban recalls a 51-49 tally — to even accept an invitation to the Freedom Bowl's inaugural game.

    "There was a lot of disappointment we weren't playing in a game with national championship written all over it," said Gray, now a position coach with the Washington Redskins.

    The result was a lethargic, careless performance and one of the most lopsided bowl defeats in UT football annals.

    Members of this year's UT team, who share a painfully common kinship with their underachieving 1984 brethren, would do well to heed the history lesson. The similarities between the two teams, separated by 22 years, are startling.

    This year's team, like the 1984 vintage, was ranked in the top five before also coming unglued in November, dropping to No. 18 and alighting at a less-than-prestigious bowl destination.

    "If I could give these guys advice, it would be, 'Don't go in halfhearted,'" Gray said. "You've got to have a killer instinct no matter who you are playing."

    Gray and the rest of the 1984 team learned that lesson the hard way.

    The '84 Longhorns viewed the trip to California as little more than a Christmas vacation. They spent a few hours a day practicing and watching film.

    "The rest of the time, you're going to see Farrah Fawcett's house or where Larry Hagman lives," Duliban said.

    Taking a signal from their coach, a dyed-in-the-wool Texan named Hayden Fry, Iowa players treated the bowl excursion like a business trip.

    The task at hand was to prove that the Hawkeyes deserved to share the same stage as the formerly top-ranked team from Texas.

    "The way the media was talking, there was no way we had a chance," Hayes said. "Coach Fry played that up to us in a big way."

    Undone by one quarter


    Dec. 26, 1984, was gray and rainy in southern California, mirroring the Longhorns' mood.
    Warming up before the game, even Long found himself fretting about the weather.

    "I kept throwing duck after duck," said Long, now the coach at San Diego State. "Then the game started, and everything clicked."

    Iowa took a 24-17 lead into the half, then exploded for 31 unanswered points in the third quarter. That outburst included four TD tosses by Long, who the next year was a first-round draft pick by the Detroit Lions.

    "One play led to another, led to another," said Hayes, who now coaches the Cincinnati Bengals' tight ends. "Sometimes, you just get that feeling and ride the wave. That's what we did that day."

    The Longhorns, meanwhile, were buried beneath a tidal wave of humiliation that, to some of them, still suffocates. Bad memories from that night have been dredged up, like muck from the bottom of a lake, by the impending Alamo Bowl rematch.

    More than two decades later, Duliban can think of but one way to purge from his palate the distaste lingering from the Freedom Bowl fiasco. He can think of one good way to lock that filing cabinet forever.

    A bona fide rematch, between a bunch of 40-something men, playing out old grudges on old knees for old time's sake.

    "We'll get the '84 team together right now, and we'll get the Iowa team, Long and all them, and strap it on one more time," Duliban said. "We could play at halftime at the Alamo Bowl. I guarantee we'll beat them."
     
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  18. SirCharlesFan

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    You know, it sucks that UT fell apart and is having to go to a second-tier bowl, but it's not nearly as bad as some of you guys are acting, historically speaking. What sucks it that the Big 10 is pathetic this year and UT is playing a 6-6 Iowa team. Over the past few years, you've had some really great programs with a lot of history going to this bowl game. Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, and A&M have all been to this bowl game before.
     

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