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Texas Students must pledge to "God"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MR. MEOWGI, Aug 2, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Well just before going to bed, I did hear all the Gods agree on one thing.

    George W. Bush sucks as president.

    DD - believes that God has a sense of humor.

    PS. Was it ever decided which Gods the students are praying too?????
     
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  2. ham

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    Where's Molly Ivins when we need her?
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    Confirmed and yep. There is an incongruity in that the side you are blaming for being unable to respect divergent views is not the one who is forcing others to conform to a specific religious standard. The side that you are championing is guilty of what you are against (imposing beliefs about religion on others or disrespecting the totality of viewpoints on religion).

    Your comments fit the classic definition of ironic.

    Glad I looked that up. Thanks.
     
  4. ham

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    So all Christians must claim responsibility for what all other Christians do? Awesome. So, can I blame you for what George Bush does? I'm assuming you're an American.
     
  5. Ottomaton

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    Please indicate where I said that. Having reviewed of my comments I can not see this.

    He is the one who has chosen to defend a 'side'. He has said that 'the Christians' are being treated disrespectfully. In as much as he has chosen to align himself with 'the Christians' in this thread instead of 'the athiests' he is the one who has chosen to claim responsibility. He has taken up 'their' cause.

    And, whether you want to believe it or not I would describe my views as 'Christian' which probably throws a monkey wrench in your whole theory that I compel people to accept responsibility for everyone with whom they share a group.
     
  6. ham

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    Why does every argument have to consist of only two opposing "sides"? As far as I can tell, Fatty was merely objecting to the lack of respect some posters were showing towards others. He did say once that he was particularly annoyed by posts that were disrespectful towards Christians, but his entire point was about how people's arguments were being presented, not about whose views were correct.

    If someone is being treated disprespectfully because of their views, you should stand up for them, whether or not you agree with them. That's what Fatty was trying to do when he said:

    Also, the fact that you are a Christian who criticizes the views of other Christians does not mean that you are incapable of the fallacy of trying to put people in boxes where they don't belong. If Fatty had actually been "championing" this new law, then you may have had a point. But he didn't. All he did was defend others, with whom he may or may not have agreed for all we know, from what he viewed as uncivilized attacks. What you are doing to Fatty is just as illogical as if I were to blame you, a Christian, for this law.

    If you want, you can divide this and every argument into two opposing sides and insist that everyone involved is entirely on one side or the other. But that's dumb.
     
  7. pirc1

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    Just one question for some of you who want Christian faith to dominate this country. Would you feel great about this country if this country returns to the middle ages where the church dominated just about every facet of the society? Would you feel good if people would be prosecuted for believing in different faith?

    If majority always get what they want, this country would be heading in that direction sooner or later.

    How would you feel if one day (just like the example of the Republicans wanting to use the nuclear option in senate) Christian faith became the minority in this country and the majority want to ban the Christian faith, would you feel it is fine because majority wanted that?

    Protection the rights of the minority is one of the most important and best doctrine of this country.
     
  8. rhester

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    On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " Then they remembered his words.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Fatty was talking about imposing on others.
     
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    How ironic when the efforts of the Christians aligned with you are designed to turn the US into a Christian theocracy... and you're telling others to not impose their beliefs? How hypocritical.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    And the cow jumped over the moon.

    This post is worthless without pics.

    ;)

    Look, I may be poking fun Rhester, but I do respect people's rights to believe what they want to believe, just keep those beliefs out of our government and we will be fine.

    Freedom of religion means the right to choose any religion, including believing that religion is the root of a good number of the world's problems.

    All people are arguing about is whether someone else's beliefs are more RIGHT than others, which is absurd, as none of the religions beliefs can be proven, it is all a matter of faith.

    How ironic that the term "Though shall not judge" is seemingly ignored by all religions these days.

    DD
     
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    Where, other than when he said that people shouldn't do that?
     
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    You're doing exactly what Ottomaton did just a few posts ago.
     
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    Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
     
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    No, that post is worthless without faith.-- edit-- :)

    I respect your posts, and the right to choose any religion is a right I respect also, and I also value the opportunity to have free exchange of beliefs and the free expression of convictions.

    I think truth and God both can take care of themselves. Given the opportunity I am pleased to tell His message.

    God has graciously forgiven me of many sins, I have no stones to throw.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    I believe in God, that is my faith.

    I don't believe in any particular religion. I think they are all made up by man to control the masses.

    I do respect your fervent belief though, in fact I admire it.
    And people in glass houses should not throw stones.

    I kid, I kid !! :D

    DD
     
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    What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked.
    They all answered, "Crucify him!"
    "Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate.
    But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"
    When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
     
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    Every man loves two women; the one is the creation of his imagination and the other is not yet born.

    Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need.

    I have learnt silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers.

    If indeed you must be candid, be candid beautifully.

    If you reveal your secrets to the wind you should not blame the wind for revealing them to the trees.

    In the sweetness of friendship; let there be laughter and the sharing of pleasures. For in the dew of little things the heart finds its morning and is refreshed.

    The lights of stars that were extinguished ages ago still reaches us. So it is with great men who died centuries ago, but still reach us with the radiations of their personalities.

    Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'


    - Kahlil Gibran





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  19. B-Bob

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    An oldie but a goodie. I had forgotten that one, though it pays to repeat it often I think, if we're interested in the "all get along" model. Thanks!
     
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    A beautiful girl, home for a few weeks in the summer of 1966, home from living with a Buddhist in New York and enjoying a bohemian life, gave me a signed copy of The Prophet. I still have it. It was just before she returned to her lover in the Village. I was working a summer job with her father. Right after she left, he and I had a blowup, a real doozie, with him thinking I was having an affair with her. He was frustrated that she loved her life in New York and couldn't/wouldn't stay in Houston. I quit before he could fire me. What she did give me was far more valuable than her body.

    Some things stay with you.




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