QUESTION: why would you ASSume that these 'morons' are only there because of the 10% rule? why not the MY DADDY WENT TO UT Legacy Rule? Or My Daddy Bought a building for UT rule? 2nd - you complain about poor underfunded schools . .then complain about the 10% rule? Well it is unfair they goto a crappy school. . . but they should be penalized a SECOND time . . .cause Colleges will say . .you 4.0 don't mean nothing cause you school is crappy. . . . Is that what you saying? Rocket River
How do you feel about the UNQUALIFIED people that get in . . and were not top 10 percenters? Why do they get a pass? Should they not be the 1st to go . . .when a Qualified person is 'passed over'? Rocket River but but . .. my daddy donated a building .. . that should get me in . . .over that 10 percenter!!
Remove the 10% rule - I suspect the minority enrollment would plummet Once again discrimination will rule . . .whether intentional or unintentional . . the results are the same. . . minorities will find themselves once again on the outside looking in . . . . . . Rocket River
I think most people that claim 4.0s do their unweighted GPA (which is always based on a 4.0 scale). For me, that's all my academic classes (math, science, social studies, English). If you're on a 6.0 scale (like my school), we have our weighted and unweighted GPAs. Colleges always ask for what scale your GPA is based on, too. If someone is on a 6.0 scale or 5.0 scale and is claiming a 4.0, then that is definitely not the same thing. As for the top 10% rule, I think it ought to be changed but that has to be the most objective way of looking at things. On top of that, a school like UT requires you be accepted into the program, too, so while you might be top 10% -- you could get rejected into your first choice major (I've seen that happen to a lot of people). I think being completely subjective should be left to the honors programs. If a student is going to coast through college, they'll fail out and that "other" kid that got shafted because of the top 10% rule can transfer.
RR, that might be true for Rice, which is a private school, and might have had some validity in the past in regards to UT (and possibly A&M), but it is not true at today's UT. When 94% of incoming freshmen are falling under the 10% rule, leaving just 6% "open" for other students also deserving and, in many cases, arguably more deserving, something is seriously, seriously wrong, in my opinion.
You make it sound like there are thousands of incoming students who only get in because their parents donated a building. I don't think there are really many of those kind of students pushing out more deserving kids at public universities.
The other problem is people that go to college that *shouldn't* be there - whether they weren't qualified or they weren't properly educated in the past or what. Take Texas Southern, for example. It has a *15%* graduation rate. What's the point of evening having a university that only graduates 15% of its students? Either the curriculum or the students need to be changed.
US News & World reports rankings. They're the best-known college rankings. US News' Tier 1 is their list of top 120 schools.
It does not exclude by rule but I could see how it could exclude since a school can only take so many students. It probably raises other requirements like SAT and such. But I mean if you are not in top 10% I doubt you have high SATs.
who *shouldn't* get a College Ed? I guess there are some folx that SHOULDN'T get a high School Ed? Rocket River
Mechanics, chefs, musicians, artists, construction workers........... most people shouldn't get one. It just makes no sense financially.
You should've obviously gotten a high school education... How can you even compare not getting a college education to not getting a high school education?
Pure straw man and slippery slope. Put words into the other person's mouth then they are to busy defending something they didn't say.
For starters, probably most of the 85% of students every year that aren't graduating from TSU. Some probably are forced out financially or for other reasons, but many simply should have never been in college. There are lots of alternatives, and they would be better served going to trade schools or community colleges and actually graduating with a useful degree that helps them get a job, rather than failing out of TSU. Unfortunately, we look down a lot on trade schools and the like - but they are a very reasonable and logical option for a lot of people.
yeah we waste a ton of public money on people who cannot make it or simply do not want to. We should make getting in harder and pay the full way.
This was about 7 years ago, but I went to one of the "better" high schools (a top 500 public schools H.S. in the nation according to Newsweek) and I was not even in the top 15% of my school. A lot of my friends that ended up going to UT were not in that category either (most actually was ranked lower than I was). But what we had in common was a ton of extracurricular activities and other things on the transcript helped us stand out. Also, just because the top 10% would hurt your chances at getting into UT, if your overall body of work looks good, most out of state colleges would be more than happy to take you. I think I got accepted to 2 top 10 MIS programs upon graduation (one was to a Honors college) so it's not like there's that big of a punishment for going to a top public school in Texas. If your overall transcript looks good, it actually helps you a lot more when looking out of state.
The problem is that each year, a larger and larger portion of UT is filled by 10%ers, so they have less and less discretion to take students like you. As one article posted earlier noted, they are getting close to having 100% of their Texas enrollment being 10%ers, which means they would have zero students like you. This is certainly true - but out-of-state tuition is substantially higher than in-state, so it makes it much less possible for many people.
I agree with the first one as an issue, but I think the result is the other Texas schools need to do better in the academic department. From anecdotal experiences, almost all Asians (both southeast Asians and Indo/Paki) in Texas that are not going Ivy level schools are aiming for University of Texas as their state school of choice due to it's perceived academic strength. I also think a large number of H.S. intellectuals also look to U.T. because of Austin's culture (young H.S. aged intellectuals tend to be more liberal) which is why U.T. has such a strong plan II program. Until other cities become more liberal (notice how most of the top colleges are in liberal towns? ) and more seriously become better academically, we're going to have issues with University of Texas admission in the state of Texas no matter what. As far as out of state tuition goes, if you're going to a pretty good program out of state, they usually makes up the differences financially. I think the school that offered me Honors college gave me enough scholarships to balance out the out of state tuition.
You've got to be kidding me. One friend I have is top 20% (3.8 Unweighted GPA) with a 2170 SAT applying to to top private schools. Another is top 7% (4.0 Unweighted GPA) with a 1720 SAT applying to UT & A&M. Yeah. Magnet & private schools in Texas are pretty screwed because of the top 10% rule so they apply to OOS top schools.
