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Texas GOP and Voter Suppression

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  1. HardenVolumeOne

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    no LEGAL citizen should have an issue trying to vote. Follow the procedures and go vote
     
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    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    drive thru?
     
  3. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    If the shoe fits.
     
  4. dachuda86

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    Bs. Dems are cheating and this needs to be gaurded against. No one is stopping ppl from voting. This was already exposed in San Antonio on camera and we know it has been going on. Either you are ignoring it or willfully ignorant.
     
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    Name calling lol.. you clearly lost the argument.
     
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    Or phones with cameras

    They routinely talk down to minorities and patronize. Why do ppl want to be treated like dumb children?
     
  7. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-voting-bill-voter-suppression-11626297555?mod=hp_opin_pos_3

    Texas Democrats Suppress the Vote
    Blocking democratic proceedings on a bill expanding early voting. What heroes.

    By Karl Rove
    July 14, 2021 6:00 pm ET

    Democratic state representatives shut down the Texas House on Monday by fleeing to Washington. With their exit they denied the House a quorum to conduct business and temporarily blocked passage of a GOP election-reform bill.

    It was melodramatic even by today’s standards. Before dozens of legislators boarded two private jets (one carrying a case of Miller Lite), the House Democratic Caucus chairman declared “we’re in a fight to save our democracy.” They later warbled “We Shall Overcome” on the U.S. Capitol steps. Their return date is unknown.

    Texas Democrats have two big beefs with H.B.3, sponsored by Republican state Rep. Andrew Murr. Both involve practices used last fall in Harris County, site of Houston, the state’s most populous city.

    One is 24-hour voting. Texas law requires counties to open polling sites for at least eight hours each weekday of early in-person voting while counties of 100,000-plus population must offer 12 hours on Saturday and five hours on Sunday. Harris County used a unique interpretation of this to set up eight voting locations open 24 hours on Oct. 29, most in Democratic areas.

    Mr. Murr argues it’s an unnecessary expense for 254 Texas counties to provide county employees and volunteer election officials and observers for round-the-clock voting. Guided by the principle of equal protection, he proposes consistency and uniformity through a reasonable statewide standard.

    He’d also make it easier to vote. H.B.3 requires all counties to open early voting locations for at least nine hours on weekdays (up from the current minimum of eight) between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. Counties with 55,000 or greater population would be required to offer at least 12 hours on Saturdays between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. and six hours on Sundays between 9 a.m. and 10 p.m. H.B.3 would also expand protections for people taking time off to cast a ballot to include during the early-voting period.

    Does this sound like Jim Crow 2.0?

    The other Democratic issue is drive-through voting. Texas law allows this for people who are “physically unable to enter the polling place” unassisted. Citing the pandemic, Harris County decided everyone could vote from a car and opened 10 sites, principally in Democratic areas. The Murr bill explicitly prohibits drive-through voting for the able-bodied.

    Democratic claims that these changes are “voter suppression” are malarkey. If 24-hour and drive-through voting were so critical, why was turnout in Harris County 65.86%, slightly below the statewide number of 66.73%?

    Why did 130 Texas counties without 24-hour or drive-through voting have higher turnout than Harris? These included urban counties—Travis (home to Austin) at 70.55% and Tarrant (Fort Worth) at 67.64%; suburbs like Collin (74.82%) and Montgomery (73.28%); metro areas like Brazos (Bryan-College Station) at 69.39% and Comal (New Braunfels) at 75.89%; rural counties like Blanco (79.40%) and Burnet (73.14%) and counties with substantial black populations such as Houston (70.11%), Madison (67.62%), Robertson (68.22%) and Walker (67.34%).

    Despite not having 24-hour or drive-through voting, 91 Texas counties saw turnout increase in 2020 over 2016 by bigger margins than Harris County did. These included heavily Hispanic rural counties like Duval, Starr and Zavala in South Texas and Atascosa and Karnes in South Central Texas, as well as Nueces (Corpus Christi) and Bexar (San Antonio)—further evidence that limits on 24-hour and drive-through voting won’t hurt voters of color.

    This hasn’t kept Democrats from flooding inboxes with fundraising appeals crying “voter suppression” (in the words of Robert Francis O’Rourke ), promising to fight a “racist voter suppression bill” (state Rep. Ann Johnson) and “defending free and fair elections” ( Rep. Joaquin Castro ). Email money requests from Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand and Elizabeth Warren were the most amusing examples of hypocrisy, since their home states of New York and Massachusetts don’t have 24-hour or drive-through voting and have fewer days of early voting than Texas. I’ll save you time: Neither senator has accused her state of racist election laws.

    President Biden added to the misinformation avalanche on Tuesday by calling the Texas bill “un-American” and part of a “21st-century Jim Crow assault.” Memo to the president: Your home state of Delaware doesn’t allow 24-hour or no-excuse drive-through voting. It won’t begin early voting until 2022 and then for only 10 days—fewer days than Texas, which approved early voting in 1987 under a Republican governor.

    This sorry drama will end shortly. Texas Democrats will return home, their appearance in the House will be compelled, and Mr. Murr’s H.B.3 will pass. Then, despite the unjustified Democratic screams of “voter suppression” and “racism” that have unfortunately been repeated and amplified by Mr. Biden, our democracy will continue, albeit unnecessarily tarnished.

    Mr. Rove helped organize the political-action committee American Crossroads and is author of “The Triumph of William McKinley” (Simon & Schuster, 2015).


     
  8. Rileydog

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    well if you want in on the discussion, please explain how eliminating expanded early voting, drive thru voting, 24 hour voting is defensible.

    Please defend your partys position. I’ll wait.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Dems blocked Republicans from changing the law, twice. It might be Republicans that need to find a workaround.
     
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    You just keep believing in the Big Lie that 45 and member of GOP keep saying is happening there have been a very small number of people that voted illegally i'm not the one that is ignoring it or being ignorant to the fact that these republican run states are trying to make it harder for the average American to vote . Yes ID should be shown to vote there is no reason to get rid of voting on sunday or doing away with 24hr voting if pole watcher want to be at the site get up off there butts and go to the polls.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What election needs defending? There has never been any evidence of widespread election fraud in Texas.
     
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    I think it's important to recognize the realities of this bill.

    The GOP was very clearly trying to suppress voting - particularly, minority voting. They had lots of nonsensical stuff in there like cutting Sunday morning voting (when lots of black voters go out to vote), reallocating polling locations away from minority areas, allowing partisan poll watchers to record video of people voting, etc. That said, much of that is gone.

    What remains are mostly outlawing things that weren't ever done prior to 2020 anyway - 24 hour voting, etc. Now, that potentially hurts voter turnout because those methods were being used. In a state with some of the lowest turnout in the nation, it seems fairly stupid. But in 2016 or 2018, no one thought it was insane that there weren't opportunities to vote 24 hours a day, etc. It's harder for me to see this as voter suppression. Mail-in voting is being made a little harder, but again, prior to 2020, mail-in voting in Texas was super-rare anyway. Early voting is where Texas voters vote, and our early voting is more accessible than most states.

    There are some good things in the bill too - like informing felons that they aren't eligible to vote if on parole. Right now, the state doesn't tell them, they vote (and are allowed to for some reason), and then Ken Paxton selectively arrests them for political reasons and tries to put them in jail for 20 years.

    There are also some really horrible things in the bill, likely making it easier to contest and overturn elections with a lower burden of proof that opens doors to lots of loopholes.

    So all that said, it's a crappy bill. But it's not as crappy as it was or as Republicans tried to make it be, and it's not as crappy as Georgia's "let's let politicians fire election officials and try to overturn elections for any reason" nonsense.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    The work around is not putting in place laws that disproportionately affect minority voters. Pretty simple. One of the ways to do that is to make sure people that are trying to stop people from voting get exposed for their attempts to suppress voting.

    Stop trying to suppress the vote. Find a work around or a way to speak to voters concerns so that you can win if people can vote.
     
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    I AM A MINORITY VOTER, it’s bigoted to think minorities can’t find a simple work around to vote and that we should be babied. Every minority has the same access to vote as any white person.

    what was it that Jim Crow joe said during the campaign trail.. “Poor kids are just as smart as white kids.”
     
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  15. HardenVolumeOne

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    democrats want illegals and deceased people to vote and they will drag this pandemic out as long as necessary to have mail in ballots done again for the midterms

    their entire party is built on wanting power and corruption.
     
  16. mtbrays

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    There are a few US states - Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, Utah, Colorado, I believe - that have had mail-only voting for years. There have never been allegations about fraud in these states. I know you don't care about facts, but here are blue and red states that have conducted their elections like this for a long time.

    The way you talk about voting - an inherent, God-given right according to the constitution - is how you think liberals talk about gun control and supposed infringements upon those rights. Tell me: are some Constitutional rights more God-given than others? Why should people "just deal with it" and find "simple workarounds" to voting restrictions but have absolutely no limits on their right to bear firearms?
     
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    I don't care what kind of voter you are. I never said that minorities couldn't find a work around. You are talking about crap nobody even said.

    1. The proposed laws disproportionately affect minority voters - True
    2. They were designed to make it less likely that minority voters will vote - true
    3. They are designed to suppress the vote and reduce voting because the people that made them are less likely to win if more people vote. - true
    4. There is no evidence of any wide scale fraud or lack of security regarding our elections - true

    Why be okay with laws that seek to prevent people from voting especially when it's aimed at minority voters?

    The biggest work around to proposed laws is stopping them from being passed, and to expose people who are trying to propose and pass the laws.

    Your statement that every minority has the same access to vote as any white person is not accurate.

    If 24 hour voting is banned and more minorities work jobs that make it hard to vote during business hours some access is lost for those minority voters. If Sunday voting which is when minority voters from some worship services have access to transportation to the polls is denied, that changes the access. It isn't the same. The list could go on forever.

    Your idea that nobody should be bothered by the proposed laws because there are still ways to vote is moronic.

    Putting cinder blocks in the middle of I10 highway isn't okay because cars can still drive around them and get by. So let's make it okay to put those cinder blocks in the middle of the freeway.

    Putting cinder blocks in the middle of I10 is as useful as these voting restrictions which don't help democracy in any way.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    There is an easy way to not have the pandemic drag out any longer. If more people would get vaccinated, it stops. Democrats aren't in control of the pandemic. That is nature and science.

    Mail in balloting has never been rife with fraud. There is zero evidence that there was wide scale voting fraud at all in 2020 and that includes mail-in ballots.
     
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    Maybe not you, but the majority of democrat elected officials believe that minorities can't think and function without them holding our hand
     
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    Wanting voting to be convenient and easy isn't the same as thinking hands have to be held.
     

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