Texas family sues over "under God" reference in pledge

I'm glad that the attempted indoctrination of children into religion through our educational system which you're apparently a party to is a source of amusement for you. I would hope that if the tables are ever turned and your child has a zealotous Muslim teacher explaining the way things are to him that you'll remember to laugh it off.

The words under god where added because of the fear from godless Communism. Yeah, pretty idiotic but hey that's the status quo.

 

US Congress signed it into law, not the Knights. And it had broad support among the American people. (Just making it clear that it wasnt a little special interest thing shoved in when no one was looking).

 

Hey...Brain Surgeon, first of all, I-T...W-A-S... A...S-U-B-S-T-I-T-U-T-E.

Secondly, what is amusing to me is that you feel that you know something about how I teach my students.

Third, if my son ever does have a zealotous Muslim teacher, I will have him learn to appreciate the differences in society and their beliefs, just like I did when I was in college and my professors spoke to students about his religious beliefs.

 

Our Flag
History of the Pledge of Allegiance


The original Pledge of Allegiance was written by Francis Bellamy. It was first given wide publicity through the official program of the National Public Schools Celebration of Columbus Day which was printed in The Youth's Companion of September 8, 1892, and at the same time sent out in leaflet form to schools throughout the country. School children first recited the Pledge of Allegiance this way:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

"The flag of the United States" replaced the words "my Flag" in 1923 because some foreign-born people might have in mind the flag of the country of their birth instead of the United States flag. A year later, "of America" was added after "United States."

No form of the Pledge received official recognition by Congress until June 22, 1942, when the Pledge was formally included in the U.S. Flag Code. The official name of The Pledge of Allegiance was adopted in 1945. The last change in language came on Flag Day 1954, when Congress passed a law, which added the words "under God" after "one nation."

Originally, the pledge was said with the right hand in the so-called "Bellamy Salute," with the right hand resting first outward from the chest, then the arm extending out from the body. Once Hitler came to power in Europe, some Americans were concerned that this position of the arm and hand resembled the Nazi or Fascist salute. In 1942 Congress also established the current practice of rendering the pledge with the right hand over the heart.

The Flag Code specifies that any future changes to the pledge would have to be with the consent of the President.


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Joe McCarthy.

 

when did I compare it? never

i was pointing out the fact that maintaining a policy based on because it is the status quo is pretty silly

 

Originally posted by Falcons Talon
Hey...Brain Surgeon, first of all, I-T...W-A-S... A...S-U-B-S-T-I-T-U-T-E.

I don't need to be a brain surgeon to know that substitute has and will continue to teach other students. Nor am I naive enough to believe this is an isolated incident with one teacher. I guess you should sleep at a holiday inn express or something.

Secondly, what is amusing to me is that you feel that you know something about how I teach my students.

You just said yadda yadda I enjoy indoctrinating my students into religion by example of US history using literary references. Did you not read what you wrote or what?

Third, if my son ever does have a zealotous Muslim teacher, I will have him learn to appreciate the differences in society and their beliefs, just like I did when I was in college and my professors spoke to students about his religious beliefs.

Nice comparison to what teachers said to you as an adult and what goes on in an 11 year old's classroom. You're grasping the issue well.

 

Well then, while we are at it, let's break off all ties with our allies and befriend all those not so friendly organiztions that a handful of people would want us do. After all, we can't follow majority rule in regards to status quo...can we. It would be downright un American.

 

School is for education. You wanna pray, go to church.

Peace out, gentlemen!

 

Simply that it's a majority doesn't validate rightness or lawfulness no matter how many zealots are out thumping their bibles and praying on courthouse steps. Majority rule cannot violate the rights of the minority in the process. Your rationale is downright un-American.

 

OMG...Vanna, I'd like to buy a clue for Timing.

That Holiday Inn Express Jole was funny the first hundred times I heard it. Catch up. Substitutes do not teach students. Substitutes make sure the kids don't get into too much trouble in the class.

Yes I did read what I wrote. Now do me a favor when you read it again. Don't move your lips and try to understand what I wrote. Don't read to day you read it...read to understand. I guess I SHOULDN'T teach the principles that founded help to found this country. I can see it now.

"OK class...the Puritans were out for a joyride in the Mayflower and decided to check out the scenery in the New World. Don't mind the beliefs that they had in their journals. Don't pay attention to that silly era called the Age of Faith. They really just stuck around for the nice winters and abundant food source."

Hey, the adult is the one suing everyone on GOD'S green Earth...Oh my God, I said God...please don't sue to shut down this BBS. Please don't sue Clutch...
The problem here is a stupid substitute insulting a child...It wasn't a national issue until daddy wanted it to be.

 

I doubt that is a fair charaterization of the reality. For one, the words 'under God' are important to more peaple than zealots. And, given the very high percentage of people who claim to be Christians, I don't think you could call them "a few." Plus -- though you know from an historical context that we're referring to a Christian God -- it doesn't make any sectarian claim about the nature of God and therefore really doesn't discriminate against anyone but atheists, a very small group indeed. So, in terms of the majority bowing to the needs (and "needs" is a silly word too, "desires" or "preferences" is probably closer) of the minority, it would be the Christian majority accomodating the complaints of the athiest minority.

Plus, what the heck is zealotous? Do you mean zealous?

 

there is a difference between saying

"lets end all policy that is based on the status quo"

and

"BASING policy on just because it is the status quo is silly"

TWO different ideas there

dont put words into my mouth

 

I don't think they should HAVE to say the Pledge anyhow. If people don't want to say it, fine with them. What that sub said was stupid. But on the other hand, I think the pendulum has gone too far when we are calling Christmas trees at public universities "holiday trees" as to not offend the atheists.

Allow people to say God if they want or have a damned Christmas tree on the lawn of the school admin building, but if people want to sit out the pledge, let them. But there is a difference between simply sitting out the pledge and showing disrepect like that stupid women's b-ball player did during the Natl. anthem. Personally, I would have taken her out at the knees or given her a Mutomboesque elbow to the jaw, nose or skull.

We need to get rid of all this sensitivity on both sides, learn to take a joke and not get so damned wound up about a few little words.

 

You're right, it's more like MILLIONS of zealots. Like the whole state of Alabama for example. We all know what religion under God refers to, let's not play a shell game now.

As for zealotous, neology is my new hobby.

 

Unless the majority happens to be the UN, and the minority is the US, then in that scenerio it's okay............ right???

 

School is for developing a healthy *intellectual* curiosity. Church is for developing a healthy *spiritual* curiosity.

 

then maybe they shouldn't be saying the pledge at all...with or without those troublesome words.

 

The problem is teachers taking the time to insert their religious ideology into the classroom. Teach the material and recruit followers on your own time. Next time you address a post to me please try to make it look like something other than a lost Homer Simpson transcript. Thanks.

 

As a former resident of Alabama, I can easily believe that a majority of folks support that stupid Ten Commandments memorial. Churches back there are like sesame seeds on a bun. I have no problem with that, but the fact that they support a two-bit, bucking-for-the-governorship Roy Moore violating a court order (Paul extolled his flock to obey the laws of the land because that is what God wanted them to do) because they want the Commandments in the building is just ridiculous. He doesn't give a damn about it, he's just using it at as a way to make a name for himself so he can become governor and/or get paid big time speaking fees on the Christian lecture circuit, the so-called "love offering."