All three of Denver's starting linebackers as well as Champ Bailey were on the bench to start the 3rd.
Possibly by actually looking like a quarterback with a presense and poise in the pocket. Oh yeah, and actually completing passes to wideouts.
They both had 6 completions to wide receivers. Whatever, you're obviously on one side of the fence and not willing to accept anything else. I can actually look at the game without bias...Carr looked like dog poop for the first 20 minutes of the game...but then settled down and looked good.
The point of the game is to win as a team; not to pad individual stats. If Mario Williams draws double teams to where the defense as a whole is better, then I'm all for that. That alone justifies his pick to me. I don't need Mario Williams to get 14 sacks this season. It would be great if he did, but it's not absolutely necessary. I would much rather the entire defense play better as a unit and Mario get 6 sacks. Plus, as you said, he's only 21. He has a lot of growing to do in this league. Mario will be fine.
You only see things in black and white terms. You see a "busted play" and a 40 yard gain or whatever it was. Thats it, thats all you see. Those of us who see the world from a much broader perspective don't see the black and white of that play. We see potential, we see that the guy was significantally faster than the other NFL players on the field, we saw cuts, burst, and instinct that we have rarely seen before by say Morency who may have had a 95 yard run straight thru a big hole. There is so much more to football than "how many yards did he get" "how many td's did he score", "how many sacks". blah blah blah. [theoritically - take one play for example] So Morencey got an outstanding block, the middle linebacker tripped and fell and he ran for 99 yards and a touchdown. Bush had nowhere to go, no blocking, nothinig, so he reversed his field, outran the entire team to the corner and then turned on the afterburners and made two phenomenal cuts without losing any speed and gained 40 yards. So you'd rather have Morency based on stats alone, right? Come on, if you view everything in those absolute black and white terms, then god your life must be boring. As for Mario, who cares how many sacks he gets if any at all. If he is wrecking havoc on people trying to block him, drawing double teams, making the offense run away from him on running plays then hell yeah he's kicking ass and i'm all for it. Its not about crap like "mario didn't have any sacks" or "lundy has scored 2 TD's, bush has none". Come on.
i simply objected to the way you tried to excuse the interception - yeah, it was a bad pass, but.... no but. it was a bad pass. and passes like that will get picked off routinely. he's been in the league five years - why is still making that decision/pass? to me, carr looks like a vietnam vet at a fireworks show. on the first possession of the 2nd half, he threw two short passes and then two incompletions that stalled the drive. on the second drive, he did look better, but here were the broncos credited with tackles on that drive: wells, cox, brandon, paymah, vaughn & dumervil. know what they all have in common? they're all second and third-teamers. his team won; helped in large part by houston's offense (and special teams) giving away field position. but it's a body of work - plummer's been to the playoffs; he's put up decent numbers. i don't think anyone in denver has reason to worry. why should we feel the same about carr? what has he done to generate confidence?
As for Carr, I'm not sold on him at all. I can say confidently that we would be better off with Young, Leinart, or Cutler starting for us this year than the 4 year veteran david Carr who has to be one of the most overpaid players in sports. As for Cutler, wow. I don't know what his stats are, how many TD's ints he's thrown, but wow how fast is his release? Based on potential from what i've seen, the way he hangs in the pocket, his quick release and accuracy I think this guy is going to be a bad ass. I am very impressed with him from what little i've seen so far.
First half play by play. Yeah he looked good First Quarter Houston Texans at 15:00 K.Brown kicks 70 yards from HST 30 to end zone, Touchback. Denver Broncos at 15:00 1-10-DEN20 (15:00) M.Bell left guard to DEN 23 for 3 yards (D.Ryans). 2-7-DEN23 (14:19) J.Plummer pass short right to T.Scheffler to DEN 29 for 6 yards (D.Robinson). 3-1-DEN29 (13:36) M.Bell left tackle to DEN 31 for 2 yards (D.Ryans). Play Challenged by HST and Upheld. (Timeout #1 by HST.) 1-10-DEN31 (13:10) M.Bell left end pushed ob at DEN 34 for 3 yards (L.Sanders). 2-7-DEN34 (12:44) J.Plummer pass short right to J.Walker to 50 for 16 yards (D.Robinson; G.Earl). 1-10-50 (12:03) M.Bell right tackle to HST 49 for 1 yard (A.Weaver). 2-9-HOU49 (11:18) J.Plummer pass incomplete short right [D.Ryans]. 3-9-HOU49 (11:12) J.Plummer pass deep left to R.Smith to HST 30 for 19 yards (C.Brown). 1-10-HOU30 (10:30) J.Plummer pass short left to T.Devoe to HST 26 for 4 yards (M.Greenwood). 2-6-HOU26 (9:50) M.Bell right tackle to HST 23 for 3 yards (A.Malone). 3-3-HOU23 (9:10) J.Plummer pass incomplete short middle to D.Kircus. 4-3-HOU23 (9:07) J.Elam 41 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer. Houston Texans at 09:02 1-10-HOU31 (9:02) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 40 for 9 yards (I.Gold). 2-1-HOU40 (8:33) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 44 for 4 yards (E.Ekuban). 1-10-HOU44 (7:56) W.Lundy left end to HST 48 for 4 yards (Da.Williams). 2-6-HOU48 (7:18) W.Lundy right tackle to 50 for 2 yards (M.Myers). 3-4-50 (6:44) D.Carr sacked at 50 for 0 yards (K.Lang). FUMBLES (K.Lang), touched at DEN 48, ball out of bounds at HST 44. 4-10-HOU44 (6:35) C.Stanley punts 41 yards to DEN 15, Center-B.Pittman. D.Kircus to DEN 20 for 5 yards (C.Taylor). Denver Broncos at 06:25 1-10-DEN20 (6:25) J.Plummer pass short middle to J.Walker to DEN 34 for 14 yards (D.Ryans). 1-10-DEN34 (5:45) T.Bell up the middle to DEN 44 for 10 yards (M.Greenwood; G.Earl). 1-10-DEN44 (5:06) J.Plummer pass incomplete short left to R.Smith (L.Sanders). 2-10-DEN44 (5:03) T.Bell up the middle to DEN 46 for 2 yards (D.Ryans). 3-8-DEN46 (4:24) J.Plummer pass incomplete short right to D.Kircus. 4-8-DEN46 (4:18) P.Ernster punts 43 yards to HST 11, Center-M.Leach. P.Buchanon to HST 27 for 16 yards (R.Wells). PENALTY on DEN, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at HST 27. Houston Texans at 04:05 1-10-HOU42 (4:05) D.Carr pass incomplete short middle to O.Daniels (M.Myers). 2-10-HOU42 (3:58) W.Lundy left tackle to HST 48 for 6 yards (D.Foxworth). 3-4-HOU48 (3:22) D.Carr sacked at HST 41 for -7 yards (E.Ekuban). 4-11-HOU41 (2:58) C.Stanley punts 40 yards to DEN 19, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by D.Kircus. PENALTY on HST-C.Taylor, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 19. Denver Broncos at 02:50 1-10-DEN24 (2:50) J.Plummer pass short middle to J.Walker to DEN 35 for 11 yards (D.Robinson). 1-10-DEN35 (2:14) J.Plummer pass short right to M.Bell to DEN 39 for 4 yards (D.Ryans). 2-6-DEN39 (1:36) PENALTY on HST-T.Johnson, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 39 - No Play. 2-1-DEN44 (1:17) PENALTY on HST-R.Smith, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 44 - No Play. 1-10-DEN49 (1:00) M.Bell up the middle to DEN 49 for no gain (M.Greenwood). 2-10-DEN49 20) M.Bell right tackle to HST 50 for 1 yard (D.Ryans). Second Quarter Denver Broncos continued... 3-9-50 (15:00) J.Plummer pass incomplete short right to D.Kircus. 4-9-50 (14:52) P.Ernster punts 36 yards to HST 14, Center-M.Leach, fair catch by P.Buchanon. Houston Texans at 14:45 1-10-HOU14 (14:45) D.Carr pass right to W.Lundy to HST 26 for 12 yards (A.Wilson). PENALTY on HST-C.Spencer, Offensive Holding, 7 yards, enforced at HST 14 - No Play. 1-17-HOU7 (14:19) W.Lundy left end to HST 5 for -2 yards (E.Ekuban). 2-19-HOU5 (13:35) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 6 for 1 yard (M.Myers). 3-18-HOU6 (12:50) W.Lundy right tackle to HST 11 for 5 yards (I.Gold). 4-13-HOU11 (12:10) C.Stanley punts 33 yards to HST 44, Center-B.Pittman, downed by HST-S.Orr. Denver Broncos at 11:57 1-10-HOU44 (11:57) T.Bell right tackle to HST 37 for 7 yards (T.Johnson; D.Ryans). PENALTY on HST-T.Johnson, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at HST 37. 1-10-HOU32 (11:37) T.Bell right tackle to HST 27 for 5 yards (D.Ryans). 2-5-HOU27 (11:00) T.Bell up the middle to HST 23 for 4 yards (K.Garrett, T.Johnson). 3-1-HOU23 (10:25) T.Bell up the middle to HST 20 for 3 yards (M.Williams). 1-10-HOU20 (9:45) J.Plummer pass incomplete short right to K.Johnson. 2-10-HOU20 (9:22) T.Bell right end to HST 20 for no gain (S.Payne). 3-10-HOU20 (8:40) J.Plummer pass short left to R.Smith to HST 14 for 6 yards (D.Ryans). 4-4-HOU14 (8:00) J.Elam 32 yard field goal is GOOD, NULLIFIED by Penalty, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer. PENALTY on HST-A.Malone, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at HST 14 - No Play. 1-9-HOU9 (7:56) J.Plummer pass short left to S.Alexander pushed ob at HST 1 for 8 yards (C.Brown). 2-1-HOU1 (7:26) T.Bell right tackle to HST 1 for no gain (S.Payne). 3-1-HOU1 (6:45) T.Bell up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. J.Elam extra point is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer. HOU 0 DEN 7, Plays: 10 Yards: 44 Possession: 5:18. Denver Broncos at 06:39 P.Ernster kicks 70 yards from DEN 30 to end zone, Touchback. Houston Texans at 06:39 1-10-HOU20 (6:39) D.Carr pass short middle intended for W.Lundy INTERCEPTED by DJ.Williams (M.Myers) at HST 20. DJ.Williams to HST 20 for no gain (W.Lundy). Denver Broncos at 06:32 1-10-HOU20 (6:32) M.Bell right tackle to HST 16 for 4 yards (T.Johnson). 2-6-HOU16 (5:56) J.Plummer pass incomplete deep left to J.Walker. 3-6-HOU16 (5:51) J.Plummer pass short right to R.Smith to HST 8 for 8 yards (D.Robinson). 1-8-HOU8 (5:08) M.Bell up the middle to HST 5 for 3 yards (C.Anderson). 2-5-HOU5 (4:30) J.Plummer pass incomplete short right to T.Scheffler. 3-5-HOU5 (4:25) J.Plummer pass incomplete short left to J.Walker. 4-5-HOU5 (4:21) J.Elam 23 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer. HOU 0 DEN 10, Plays: 7 Yards: 15 Possession: 2:14. Denver Broncos at 04:18 P.Ernster kicks 70 yards from DEN 30 to end zone, Touchback. Houston Texans at 04:18 1-10-HOU20 (4:18) D.Carr pass short right to W.Lundy to HST 24 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 2-6-HOU24 (3:47) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 28 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 3-2-HOU28 (3:17) D.Carr pass short right to J.Cook to HST 35 for 7 yards (DJ.Williams). 1-10-HOU35 (2:45) D.Carr pass short middle to O.Daniels to HST 47 for 12 yards (Da.Williams). 1-10-HOU47 (2:07) D.Carr pass short middle to A.Johnson to DEN 47 for 6 yards (Da.Williams). 2-8-DEN40 (1:22) D.Carr pass incomplete deep left to E.Moulds. 3-8-DEN40 (1:13) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to DEN 35 for 5 yards (DJ.Williams). 4-3-DEN35 (1:01) D.Carr pass short middle to A.Johnson to DEN 30 for 5 yards (Da.Williams, I.Gold). 1-10-DEN30 53) W.Lundy left tackle to DEN 24 for 6 yards (Da.Williams). 2-4-DEN24 35) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 16 for 8 yards (DJ.Williams). FUMBLES (DJ.Williams), recovered by HST-O.Daniels at DEN 16. O.Daniels to DEN 16 for no gain (D.Foxworth). 1-10-DEN16 35) D.Carr spiked the ball to stop the clock. 2-10-DEN16 33) PENALTY on HST-D.Carr, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 16 - No Play. 2-15-DEN21 21) W.Lundy up the middle to DEN 11 for 10 yards (DJ.Williams). 3-5-DEN11 12) D.Carr spiked the ball to stop the clock. 4-5-DEN11 11) K.Brown 29 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Pittman, Holder-C.Stanley. HOU 3 DEN 10, Plays: 16 Yards: 69 Possession: 4:10. Three completions for 16 yards to his recievers against Denver's starters. You want to tell me where he started looking like a real qb? And like I said, all three of Denver's starting linebackers and Champ Bailey were on the bench to start the second half. This is David Carr's 5th season. Stop treating him with kid gloves.
M. Williams and Carr will always have great expectations tied to them because of the number one pick. They are both expected to be difference makers each and every game they play. I don't expect Williams to sack the QB on every play, but you do expect him to get some tackles and be around the ball on defense. Carr on the other hand is 5 years in and I know he had a horrible start in the league, but it's time for him to live up to his billing or move over for someone who can get the job done.
I'm simply responding to posters who are already willing to call Bush a superstar and Mario a bust by posting Morency's stats to show how absurd it is to make these declarations in the pre-season. As far as Bush's good play, I already knew he was fast. What I want to know is if he'll still be able to beat those guys when they start to learn that you can't over-pursue a guy like Bush because those cutbacks can be deadly. Time will tell. Just not in the preseason.
and i didn't understand this sequence at all. 10 seconds peeled off the clock... and then you spike it? plenty of time for at least a play. why not let carr prove something to everyone, especially the team that, i think, has tuned him out. more galling, he then ran off the field all smiles, as if falling short of the end zone marks an accomplishment to be proud of. i would have walked off angry. one more thing, why is carr not glued to kubiak's hip after coming out of the game - where does he go? what does he do? is there no benefit in having him watch kubiak at work? blah; i'm frustrated.
I love Bush. But i'm pulling for Mario, I just don't want people coming back and bashinig Mario if he doesn't get 10 sacks this season, there is way more to it than just sacks and tackles IMO. We'll see
We're on the same page, except I can't love Bush. Him and Mario are too intertwined and too many people can't look past flash (which I'm not saying that's all Bush will be) to see that we could've made the right decision. Bush is definitely exciting to watch.
How is that a good thing? Isn't Carr's problem that he is never consistent? Looking good for 10 minutes and bad for 20 seems to be exactly the problem he's had for the last 4 years, no?
All Im saying is that he had his good moments...nobody seems to see that. And gunn, thanks for pointing out the 1st quarter where Carr sucked...I never said otherwise. Again, you seem to be making points that are totally irrelevant.
I watched the game last night and came away with some opinions...these are my own...you can flame me all you want I doubt we will win more than 4 games this year. (which for this team, it's a good thing. we need to fill major holes) IMO 1) our offense looks like it's stuck in 1st gear, one level up from last years neutral. 2) David Carr. 3) The toughest schedule in NFL 4) David Carr. Granted this is a new staff/philosophy, and it may take more than a few years, but honestly, David Carr isn't our QB. The guy still looks like he's telegraphing his throws. Still scared, ect... content with a field goal One bright spot was the D. Mario Williams is gonna take a few years to develop. Demeco Ryans is a gonna be pro-bowl material We need to start looking for a QB via FA market or Draft aka, Brady Quinn.
Prediction- After the first 4 regular season games even the Carr supporters will be struggling for spin and excuses.
