I'm not suggesting we treat him with kid gloves and neither is rezdawg (I don't think). Neither is Kubiak for that matter. I'm just suggesting that we wait until the regular season starts before we give up on the guy. Believe me, if he still blows chimps after a few regular season games this year, I'll be the first one to start a "David Carr Blows Chimps" thread. Here's where I differ with all of you Carr haters. And I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but I DO blame the coaches for his lack of progress in his first 4 years. And possibly the franchise. In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea for an expansion team to hire a DC as a head coach and then draft a QB at #1. Or maybe he should have held a clipboard during year 1. Like McClain was saying this morning, he has never had the chance to sit and learn. He was thrown into the fire from day one. But it's just my opinion. I'm not sure why some of you are taking this so personally.
i'm not a hater; far from it. in fact, i've been one of his biggest supporters. but i've seen enough. i no longer care why he's struggled; just that's he's struggled. he had the slate wiped completely clean; he had an entire offseason with kubiak - workout programs, training camp, two-a-days - and he's the same ol, same ol. and of course he's been ruined by the former regime. and.....? is that supposed to get him even more latitude? the problems i'm seeing have nothing to do with scheme or coaching. it has to do with confidence and psyche, both of which capers and company ruined beyond belief. personal? i've never said anything about carr personally. in fact, you're the one calling people "haters."
I'm not hyping anyone. He was a Heisman award winner from a major conference on a team that was the among the best in the nation for three years. Those are facts, not hype. If you're going to be a hater then go ahead but don't try to mischaracterize what I've said.
Heisman trophy winners from major conference teams never fail in the NFL. Co-Signed, Ron Dayne, Charlie Ward, Gino Torretta, Jason White, and Chris Wienke.
He deserves to see what it's like to actually have time to pass in a real game.. (he has taken a lot of sacks for the team in the last 4 years) Carr's like a deer in headlights right now with all that time in the pocket... I think he will adjust. (he better... cause this Sage dude looks pretty damn sharp)
I get that, and believe it or not, I really don't disagree with it. Again, we agree on that. Where we disagree is that I think he needs more than 5 or 6 quarters of preseason football to fix what it took 4 years to ruin. Well....yes. I think he deserves at least more than 6 quarters of preseason football to prove himself. How about 1 quarter of regular season football? Under the new regime, that is. Let's talk after the Eagles game. If he sharts a huge brown spot on his pants, I'll be here admitting that he sucks. Lord knows with my post count, I'm not going anywhere. I would argue that his confidence and psyche DO have something to do with scheme and coaching. Again, I think it takes more than a few months to undo what you just said capers and company ruined beyond belief. No you didn't. I was really referring to DD and his rolleyes post.
and if he was doing anything to make me even remotely optimistic, i'd give him whatever he needed. but he's not; he looks horrible. and i've seen no reason to believe, come the regular season, that's it's all going to be ok, especially when teams start stacking the line, again, and shutting down the team's pedestrian rushing attack.
That's right. Ron Dayne was the next Earl Campbell. Charlie Ward, the top 5 pick in the draft was the next Randall Cunningham. Gino Torretta, the number two pick in the draft was the next Elway. You got me.
So because someone media person said Bush was the next Gale Sayers, that sets him apart from the rest?
In other news, looks like Carson Palmer is a real deal #1 pick even on a knee that was tore up 8 months ago. Ohh what could've been.
Carr looked bad from the start, but I like his abilty that he did show at times to throw on the run. Kubiak will set him better. I said before, I'll say it again...Carr is good enough! Impressive? number one: D. Ryans...I loved the aggressive couple with smart plays... second? :...I love the new defensive looks... slightly, slightly disappointed with M. Williams: didn't look as good as in the first two games, and I wanted more bursts of speed from him on plays
DeMeco Ryans is going to be the steal of the 2006 draft. He is going to be a stud. I think that when you put together the game plans of the first 3 games (game 1...rollouts, game 2...pocket passing, game 3...RB dumpoffs) you make for a pretty efficient offense. Add that to Carr's running ability and I think he will turn many of you around. He just needs a bit more time, especially in real game action with a real game plan. They haven't been game planning specifically for the Chiefs, Rams, or Broncos. That makes a huge difference when you aren't taking into account for the other team, especially with a defense as talented as the Broncos. Mario just needs time. He'll have good games and bad ones...so bad we'll all 2nd guess the decision for the millionth time, yet some so good we'll say "Reggie who?"
Yep...the kid seems like the real deal. I was skeptical of the pick at first, especially with a guy like Winston Justice falling into the 2nd Round. But Ryans could be the steal of the draft like you said. The problem with this statement is that Carr has been mediocre at best during the preseason games. The only thing that has been "efficient" in the preseason is the OL, RBs, and defense. I sure hope you're right, because you don't know how sick I am of hearing "he needs more time," first it was time to adjust to the NFL, second it was time in the pocket (was true however), and I now I assume that is time to learn the system? Carr has had 4 years, we can blame the coaches, the offensive line, or the system. But the truth is that he has run out of time, it is now or never IMO. BTW, Carson Palmer played for the first time since having major recontruction surgery on his knee. He went 9-14 and threw 3 TDs w/o "specifically planning for the Packers." Carr has yet to throw a single touchdown in 44 attempts and he threw an INT on a bonehead pass.
I agree that this season...maybe the first 4 games of the season...is now or never for Carr. If he doesn't get it down by then and we start winning some games, then let Rosenfels have a shot and look to draft or sign a free agent for '07. I don't think Kubiak, Smith, and McNair will be nearly as patient with Carr this season. If he's playing poorly and the Texans aren't winning, it's time to move in a different direction...
I wonder if Carr is "shell shot" from being sacked so many times. He has the physical skills, it appears to be a mental issue. I think he will improve if the overall team improves. If not, then changes will be made. The Rosenfels guy has looked good in preseason, not all world but better than Carr. That is not what I expected, but we haven't seen all the new schemes put together in one game, just bits and pieces.
Carr- Yr. 1- He's a rookie Yr. 2- He's a soph and the supporting cast is bad Yr. 3- See now he's improving and the supporting cast is a little better Yr. 4- It's the coaching the system the offensive line he's shell shocked Yr. 5- New system give it time, he's got all the tools Yr. 6- He has very little trade value, we are drafting a QB to give him competition etc etc etc Yr. 7- Who was David Carr?
Admittedly, he is looking more and more like one of the many highly drafted QB's who didn't work out in the NFL. More don't than do. This year is probably his make or break year.
