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Texans: Root for Wins or Root for #1 Pick?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by today, Nov 8, 2005.

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With no playoffs this year, what Texans outcome will you root for on gameday?

  1. Win

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  2. Lose

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  1. Rocket River

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    NEVER TANK!!!

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  2. reggietodd

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    Are you saying we don't have 8 picks in the upcoming draft? I think we should take Reggie Bush, use our other 7 picks on solid O-linemen and to fill a few holes on defense. Then we could trade DD and fill a few more holes possibly picking up a veteran O-linemen, a quarterback, or a stud linebacker (linebackers are very important in a 3-4 defense). I personally think the most important characteristic of a good O-lineman is NFL experience, this is why i'm not big on drafting one in the first 5 picks of the draft.

    So then we'd have Bush, some new olinemen from the draft, a few veterans from the trade of DD, a new stud linebacker AND a new coaching staff. And if we decline the option on Carr then we will have more money to sign a few good free agents to fill some other gaps including the QB position. That is how it could unfold if any intelligence were put into it, thanks for asking. :)
     
  3. reggietodd

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    We already have 8 picks in the upcoming draft, why would we trade down?
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    DD wouldn't fetch that kind of value. and if you disagree, and value him that highly, why trade him?

    schemes, chemistry and familiarity are all hallmarks of good units (with a dash of talent), not experience. case in point, the texans' OL currently has quite a bit of experience; doesn't seem to be helping much, though.

    i'm sure casserly told mcnair the same thing in 2000....
     
  5. CriscoKidd

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    The only reason to root for losses is to ensure that Capers and Casserly get the boot. The texans don't need the number one pick. Really the only value in them getting it would be to trade down and get more picks/players.

    Leinart ain't going to turn this team around. Reggie Bush ain't going to turn this team around(and why, pray tell, would you waste a pick on a rb for a team as bad as this unless you knew he was LT2? rbs shelf life is short, and the texans already have a good stable). In fact, it's unlikely that any one person in the draft would turn this team around.

    But at least by getting a stud tackle you are building a foundation for success. If you do luck out and get a great left tackle, then you have the most important position on the line filled out for the next 13 or so years, providing no fluke injury.

    Draft an OL, more OL, a multithreat TE and some playmaking linebackers. Bring in a good vet wr to pair with Andre. That would be a successful offseason for the Texans and not too hard to accomplish other than perhaps the vet wr.
     
  6. bplld

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    When you already have Davis, why get Bush? Davis is decent, which is really rare on this team, so that would seriously blow a number one pick. I say we make trades to stuff ourselves with 1-3 round picks. The first pick should go to a linebacker hands down. No one uses a first pick on OL.
     
  7. swilkins

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    If D’Brickashaw Ferguson is available when their selection comes up and they don't pick him, I will despise this team.

    After 4 f'n years without a competent line, I'm sick of it.

    Say "No" to Bush and Leinert and "Yes" to Brick.
     
  8. gunn

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    A team does not need a top 5 tackle to have a competent line. Why not get Bush and a LT in the first?
     
  9. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    They simply need talent on the OL, something that the team's missing terribly at this point.
     
  10. swilkins

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    This team would be fools to pass up a franchise type OT in the draft. Bush is talented, but franchise tackles are rare.
     
  11. Nick

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    Am I the only one who is under the assumption that we only have ONE first round pick this year???

    How is everybody thinking that we have all these multiple picks in the first round, where we can draft the best RB, a top-notch LT, another talented O-lineman, a pass-rushing defender, and a shut-down corner... and they will all start and be pro-bowl calibur players...

    We have ONE pick in the first round... and if we trade down, we can get multiple picks, but neither of them will be as high (definitely not high enough to get Bush or D'Brick... those guys are top 3), and you're still only going to have ONE first round pick.

    I still believe that there are far more skills position players who can have very productive careers who are not top 3 first round picks, then there are perrenial pro-bowl, bohemith-sized, good enough to make the most crappiest of lines look good, franchsie left-tackles.
     
  12. gunn

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    It wouldn't be too hard to move back into the 1st if a team has the 1st pick in the second round and 2 3rd round selections. As I have pointed out, of the teams in the AFC playoffs last year, NONE, had a top ten selected LT. And of those teams, only ONE had a LT that was taken in the first; and that was Tarik Glenn of Indianapolis who was selected 19th overall. The Broncos have an unsigned FA who spent time in NFL Europe playing LT.
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    If only one had an LT that was taken in the first, why would you advocate trading more picks to get back into the first to take an OL? It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that tidbit of information, it doesn't change the fact that we have negligible talent on the OL and it is by far our biggest need on offense.

    This team needs players, plain and simple. We cannot spend another draft or offseason trading multiple picks for one player ala Babin or Buchanon. If we get the first pick, we trade down for more picks this year and next (like the Chargers did in 2004), take the best OL available and go from there.
     
  14. swilkins

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    I just noticed your signature.

    You sure it wasn't Ned the Wino?
     
  15. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    OK, I'm feeling dumber than usual, but :confused:.
     
  16. reggietodd

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    I think Ned the wino may be an african american man in austin (hence black jesus)
     
  17. swilkins

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    He was a character on the hit 70's show Good Times. One day Michael came home with a picture of black Jesus (Or JJ painted it) and either Florida Evans or Willona responded, "That's Ned the Wino".

    http://www.valdefierro.com/times02.html
     
  18. Toast

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    Yeah, some of you sound like you want to repeat last offseason's mistakes.

    What's our biggest problem, our largest need? Offensive line. So what are we gonna do about it? Uh ... how about we just unload some big contracts we have on defense and call it an offseason? Oh, and draft a wide receiver or a linebacker. Whatever's cool.

    PLEASE! Let's make the o-line our #1 priority this offseason. PLEASE!!!
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    the rule is, or should be, if you have a LT, RB, WR, LB all graded equally, and all graded top of the draft worthy, then yes, you go for need. but if the RB and LB are heads and tails better than the LT, you can't pass up the RB or LB to grab the LT. the financial stakes of that player not being worth the position you take him are too high.

    as i've said repeatedly... this team is not an OL makeover (and regime change) away from being good. it could use an upgrade at every single position. all of them. even WR and CB. it is an awful team, devoid of talent. it is a stinging commentary on how awful casserly has been. if i came in and was given the chance to blow this thing apart, two - TWO! - players would be no-brainer keepers. the rest would have to show me their worth in training camp.
     
  20. swilkins

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    That would be a step in the right direction.
     

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