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Texans offered #3 pick to Jets

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by countingcrow, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. rocketfan83

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    They should be able to get more for this pick. I'd much rather have Suggs or A Johnson. Possibly Newman if he is good as advertised.
     
  2. Live

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    ...as the 3rd WR. (You kind of forgot to mention that)

    And 1 less TD than Coles, too.

    (As you can tell, I like Moss.) :D
     
  3. kidrock8

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    I don't think much of Moss, other than as a slot/backup WR.
     
  4. Lil Francis

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    Ok and pull up Jordan's amazing stats from last year. If he was that good he would have taken more carries away from C. Martin. Anybody who knows football knows that Moss will be the better NFL player. If you put Moss with David Carr he would have 75-80 catches for atleast 1,100 yds. He has great speed and very soft hands.
     
  5. Possum

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    You're not going to get much playing time when you play behind one of the best backs in then NFL. If Moss is so great why did the Jets go looking for a replacement for Coles? Why not start Chrebet and Moss?
     
  6. Jared Novak

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    The Texans should just take Suggs. He would be the franchise player on defense. Doesn't the addage say, "Defense wins championships". The defense is already strong, adding Suggs would only make it stronger.

    As for needing a playmaker on offense, well what team doesn't need a playmaker? Is anyone sure yet that Johnson will be that gamebreaking playmaker? I think Rogers is the top receiver in this draft class, and I believe (my opinion) that Johnson is not that great. I'm pretty wary of receivers from big-time college programs because they are usually products of the system.

    Again, my vote is for Suggs. He would be great as an outside LB who could rush the passer, his only flaw would be is that he needs to work on his run defense.
     
  7. Lil Francis

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    I never said Moss was a Terrell Owens but I think he has the skills to be a pro bowl receiver in the right system. With Carr's arm strength and ability I think if you put him with the Texans he would have some pro bowl like stats because Pennington's arm is not as good as Carr's. In the end Moss will be a better NFL player than Jordan. Plain and simple.
     
  8. kidrock8

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    More exciting, yes. Better? We'll have to see...
     
  9. tigereye

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    Nah, their in love with Charlie Rogers. The team that might screw things up though is Cincy because the arent appearently sold on Carson Palmer. New head coach Marvin Lewis is taking a good long look at Suggs too. If Suggs impresses him at today's AZ State Pro Day workout, the Bungles might take Suggs at No. 1 and pick their future quarterback in the second round which would most likely be Chris Simms. He is currently projected to fall out of the first round and be a high second round pick. Basically, they are looking at what San Diego did in the 2001 draft and thinking it might work for them too. As you might remember, the Bolts traded the top pick (which would have been Mike Vick) and drafted Tomlinson and later in the second round drafted their current QB Drew Brees. That worked out pretty good for them. The Bengals are wondering if it would work for them too.

    P.S. I dont know if this has been mentioned though but the Bolts are reportedly in talks with the Phins' in a deal that woud send Junior Seau to South Beach. No word on who Miami would give up. Just thought you would like to know that.
     
  10. drapg

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    I don't think Seau will be traded because of his rather massive contract.

    He'll probably be a June casualty and sign on as a free agent.
     
  11. Live

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    Maybe because, in today's NFL, teams need at least 3 solid receivers.

    And who's to say that the Jets won't start Moss & Chrebet this year, we'll just have to see.

    Besides, wasn't Moss coming off a knee injury last year?
     
  12. pgabriel

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    John Mclain was on 610 this morning and he said the Texans didn't make this offer.
     
  13. tigereye

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    The current trade value for the 3rd pick just took a major blow. Suggs bombed his pro-day. Looks like Ander Johnson WR Miami is our man at 3.



    March 26, 2003, 11:35PM

    Suggs fails to wow with speed
    By JOHN McCLAIN
    Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle


    PHOENIX -- Arizona State defensive end Terrell Suggs had his coming-out party Wednesday, and it was not a pretty sight for teams interesting in drafting him at or near the top of the first round.

    According to many NFL scouts and personnel people, Suggs was not that impressive at the Sun Devils' pro day.

    Suggs, who led the nation with 24 sacks as a junior last season when he won the Lombardi Award, ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.8s and 4.9s -- disappointing for a player whose specialty is speed coming off the edge. What made his times particularly disappointing was that he ran on artificial surface rather than natural grass.

    "Hey, he's faster on the field than he is working out," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "He's a heck of a football player, and we like him."

    Casserly was part of a large Texans contingent that included owner Bob McNair and coach Dom Capers, as well as two scouts.

    The Texans have the third pick. They're looking at Suggs as an outside linebacker in Capers' 3-4 defense.

    "We'll continue to evaluate him," Casserly said. "He's going to have another workout before the draft.

    "He's a good football player. The question you have to answer before the draft is will he be worth the third pick or the 17th pick?"

    Suggs also pulled a hamstring when he was working out.

    Suggs' pro day for scouts turned out to be the opposite of the one for Miami receiver Andre Johnson, who impressed with his size (6-2, 230 pounds) and speed (4.3s).

    The Texans are expected to draft Johnson or Suggs or trade down. Based on his performance Wednesday, don't expect Suggs to be taken among the top three picks.
     
  14. kidrock8

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    Suggs plays much faster than 4.8 or whatever it is he ran.
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    not really. the players teams are targeting remain palmer, leftwich, boller, newman and/or robertson. the vikings and saints, i know, are after the pick; both want newman.
     
  16. BanginScrew

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    Leftwich, Boller, and Robertson are all being projected to be taken somewhere between picks 6-10.

    Suggs did play faster than 6.8 while at Arizona however teams have to consider he was not only playing on artificial turf but he was also playing about 10-15 pounds lighter than he is now. He added weight for the NFL but it appears to have seriously effected his speed which was his greatest asset since he's really not all that strong for a Defensive End. I could honestly see him sliding out of the top 5 due to his workout.

    It's also been rumored that Marvin Lewis of Cincy will not take a QB with the top pick which means that Palmer could also slide a few picks, maybe even out of the top 5 depending on if Dallas takes him at #5.

    The top 5 could easily go this way ...

    1. Cincy - Newman
    2. Detroit - Rogers
    3. Houston - Johnson
    4. Chicago - Kennedy
    5. Dallas - Palmer

    It really all depends on if Marvin Lewis wants to draft defense or offense. Everyone is assuming that Palmer is going #1 but don't be so sure.
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    how can anyone be projected to go anywhere when we don't even know what's gonna happen with the first pick? in fact, of the top 5, only detroit and charles rogers is a sure thing.

    robertson has jumped ahead of kennedy, leftwich's workout is later in the month and boller is zipping up draft board because of his size and athleticism.
     
  18. tigereye

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    Ric, where do the Texans go from here. The Texans do have a hole to fill in the defense with the departure of Posey. But the Texans must also improve on one of the worst offenses in the league. They have done that with the line but I feel they also need to address the receiving corps. I would think that they would draft Johnson especially after his impressive pro-day compared to Suggs. Now I know its just one pro-day and everyone sometimes has a bad day, but Suggs not only had a bad day, he even pulled his hammy. Do you think that will have a major effect on who we draft at 3 assuming we dont trade the pick?


    BTW, speaking of trading the pick, have you heard any speculation regarding who or what we might recieve in return for the pick? I have heard New Orleans mentioned a million times along with the Skins' Vikes and numerous other teams. I regard you as the Joel Buschbaum (RIP), Chris Mortensen of the CC.Net BBS. Give us the skinny, the low-down on what's going on. Thanx :D
     
  19. BanginScrew

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    Maybe you missed where I said ... "It really all depends on if Marvin Lewis wants to draft defense or offense. Everyone is assuming that Palmer is going #1 but don't be so sure."

    There's also been some recent rumors around Dallas that If Palmer is still on the board at #3 then Parcells and Jerry are going to do their best to get into that spot to draft Carson Palmer.
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    as a matter of fact, i did miss what you said, since you didn't post it in conjunction with your assertion that leftwich, boller and robertson were "all being projected to be taken somewhere between picks 6-10."

    as i posted, we don't even know what's going to happen 1-5, so who's projecting 6-10, and what's it based on?

    i live in dallas and have not heard anything like this at all. sounds like wishful thinking on your part. the only QB i hear being mentioned is chris simms at the top of #2. parcells was asked about him at his press conference in january and in an interview in yesterday's DMN.
     

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