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  1. JunkyardDwg

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    I like that option a lot...both teams should have a chance with the ball at least once...once both teams have had that chance all bets or off...then you don't have the coin toss possibly deciding a game.
     
  2. The Cat

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    Again, the objective is different. In regulation, teams are constantly trying for the big play and for touchdowns. It's risk/reward. Sometimes they'll make it, but because they go for the bigger plays, there will be a lot of incompletions or turnovers. In addition, many of those turnovers occur inside the 30, when that field gets compressed and when defenses are at an advantage. In overtime, you don't have to go for the big plays. You don't have to even throw the ball after you get inside the 35.

    If NFL teams wanted to, those with legitimate offenses (most) could kick field goals on 75 percent of their game possessions (I'm guessing here), and an even higher percentage late as defenses tire. The reason you see more punts and turnovers is that they go for touchdowns, which inherently presents more risk. When all you need is a field goal, it's not much of a challenge.
     
  3. Smokey

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    What's the next rule change? QBs can't run with the football? I mean come on it's not fair to the defense when they do a great job of coverage down the field and the other QB is mobile.
     
  4. Landlord Landry

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    you must be the one joking........

    he's a dline man and he was injured.....I'm not going to sit here and defend Travis Johnson, but your argument is weak.
     
  5. gucci888

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    This one is on the coaches IMO. Kubiak not calling a timeout in the 1st was just a HUGE mistake, no excuses at all.

    But Richard Smith has to go, selling out on the rush on the 3rd and 4th was just terrible, especially how they came on the same drive.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    i will agree with cometswin on one thing, the range and accuracy of these kickers nowadays does make it harder on the defense. I just feel like you have plenty of time to win a game. ots are rare to begin with. I don't agree that play is different. the texans let a fullback on a missed tackle get down the field on them. there was nothing extraordinary about the way jacksonville played other than going for the score when they got in range. i'll have to admit that's a legit argument.

    I wouldn't be disagreeable to just playing the entire ot out but I do feel these games are long enough, injuries happen when players are fatigued.
     
  7. astros148

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    lol @ ppl crying about the OT format. if we would've won everyone would've stfu. Blame it on the pathetic defense who let Gerrad run the ball whenever he wanted too and the pathetic coaching.

    LOLOL
     
  8. The Cat

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    Try again -- I made the same argument before the coin was ever flipped, in this very thread. I've made it for years. Has nothing to do with this individual flip. Why don't you try looking at the facts instead of talking out of your ass?
     
  9. Landlord Landry

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    so if it's not the players then it's the scheme.....i.e. Richard Smith, wow, who would have thought? I wonder who has been saying that since the middle of last year?

    I rarely hear anyone call the 23rd pick in the first round a "number one" pick.

    it's first rounder :p
     
  10. junglerules

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    I don't like the OT rule, but to say it is what cost the Texans the game is a cop-out. My solution? Play one ten minute OT period. Like most sports it would likely offer both teams a chance to touch the ball with a chance to win. Unlike college football, it wouldn't start the ball on the 25, which unfairly benefits those teams with good kickers and the inability to sustain drives.

    If the other team can march for ten minutes in overtime and run out the clock? Then good bless 'em!
     
  11. The Cat

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    That's the biggest argument, but it's not the only one. If you watched the Jags in overtime, they never ran any deep routes, never went for the big play. Yes, not tackling the fullback was the gamewinner, but who knows. In regulation, Garrard might try to go deep down the field instead of a dumpoff in the flat. In OT, all it's about is moving the chains 2 or 3 times, and you're in range, so things change.

    Likewise, Major referenced turnovers earlier. A vast majority of turnovers come inside the 30, when the field gets compressed and quarterbacks either try to force, or hold the ball too long (due to no one being open, smaller field) and fumble.

    It's just a completely different game, and it's just far too easy for a legitimate offense to get points, if all they need to get is a field goal. I also think the college OT gets a bad rap simply because of the numbers in the scores. If you start on the 25, even if the game goes three overtimes (most don't go that far), each team has only gone 75 yards max -- the equivalent of one NFL drive in overtime.

    In terms of number of plays, yards covered, etc., the college OT isn't that different -- people's perceptions are just so skewed based on big numbers like 3 OT and high final score that they don't look at the substance in it.
     
  12. junglerules

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    Honestly, it used to confuse me, but I hear it all the time as being "number ones." Probably hear it on tv and radio as "number ones" as often as I hear "first round pick." Not trying to argue, but I don't think it's an obsolete term.
     
  13. rocketsregle

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    Landlord Landry must not watch the Rockets on TV because Bill Worrell says "number one draft pick" all the time when talking about another teams first rounder.
     
  14. conquistador#11

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    I have a solution for the OT, and it's a brilliant one. Just have a coin flip, for the coin flip.
     
  15. Icehouse

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    I'm not calling for Kubiak's head...but if we have a bad season do y'all think he is safe? The team had some decent expectations this year.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    A good defense should be able to get a stop.

    next thing you know. . .folx will want the jump ball taken out of basketball
    in deference to the Arrow thingie.

    to me . .. If you want to win . . your offense AND defense
    have to come ready

    what made the Jag's last drive any different than the others
    They got the kick off and marched down field
    the Defense should have stopped them period.
    If the reverse had happened.
    Id say the same thing . . . . .

    i think it is pretty one sided to basically to concede that the defenses cannot make ONE STOP.

    Rocket River
     
  17. Cannonball

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    I don't think he'll be fired (outside possibility if we have 3 or less wins) but if we're bad all season long, he will definitely be on the hot seat next year.
     
  18. rpr52121

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    I agree with "The Cat" completely.

    College overtime is easily much better than the NFL overtime. I always felt that it could be converted to NFL with two simple changes:

    1. Starting position for both teams is set at the 40 yd line instead of the 25 yd line. I'm doing this because kickers in NFL are much better than college, and you still have to get at least 6-7 yds to have a shot at 49-50 yd FG which seems pretty fair.

    2. The scoring system in OT should be like on the PAT plays. A TD is 2 pts and a FG is 1 pt. This then would not have the extremely high scores that everyone worries about because even an extremely "high-scoring game" with 5 OT's would only add a total of 13 total points if a team scored every time.

    Everything would be the same: 1 TO per side, 4 downs, switch who starts every time, etc.
     
  19. rocketfan83

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    I liked the old scramble for the ball from the XFL. More entertaining than a cointoss
     
  20. Rocket River

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    why not do it like soccer
    Tee up at the 40 and the kickers decide the game

    Rocket River
     

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