Eh, as annoying as I know it is to hardcore fans of the Texans - this is something that isn't going to change. The Texans are a new franchise in a transient city. I root for Houston teams, typically. For me, my connection to them was always nebulous. Loved the Oilers - but why should I care for the Texans? Take that perspective - and one of the worst decisions in NFL history from just about any viewpoint - I'm not going to care about the Texans until they give me reason to do so. I know a lot of fans of Houston high school athletics and/or UT feel the same way. As to why I need to burden the rest of ou with this so long after the fact - well, I did say I wanted to root for the Texans, didn't I ?
I understand your POV on this, my beef is it is what it is. It's done! It can't be changed. So if you hate the Texans and wish them to go down in flames then so be it. I personally am not going to judge Smitty and Kuby based on the VY deal. Smitty wasn't even here. Kuby had his hands tied. Like I said before, direct your disgust at McNair, he made the call on DC! It may be redundant in saying but, things for the Texans and their fans WILL get better. If you want to be patient with the process of unscrewing this franchise that Asserly and Crappers created fine, if not shut up and go be a fan of whatever else team you wish. Talking this crap to death is irrelevant, immaterial and completely inconsequential toward any kind of positive resolution. We all know what's wrong, Kuby and Smitty knows what's wrong, the entire F-N city of Houston knows what's wrong even McNair has to know what's wrong. The 64,000 question is how do we fix it quick-with possibilities of another meltdown or slow and steady-do it right! Kuby and Smitty are trying to clean up a mess that when all said and done might be next year or even the year after that before complete housecleaning and cap space are returned to a sane position. It's it and that's that.
Yeah, and people wonder why some Texans' fans think this absurd hyperbole is annoying. Do us a favor since you won't ever forgive the Texans (which also deserves another ), why don't you make this rare appearance in a Texans' thread your last. TIA.
Then stop your b****ing and do it. *All* franchises do stupid things. McMullen decided Nolan Ryan was "done", for example. The Red Sox sold Babe Ruth, and then in the 90s they thought Rocket was done. The Rockets chose EG over that dude that was on the Nets (forgot his name). Trust me, there are stupider things than passing on VY, and that wasn't the last stupid thing our Texans will do, either. Prediction: in the next 32 years, 32 NFL franchises will make at least one boneheaded move on draft day. And the Lions will make 32.
I'm SO sure if you had a chance to coach in the NFL, in particular your hometown and you were given that proposal, you would have turned it down. Carr has talent that has never been the issue ... So, he showed McNair indelibly how incompetent DC was! So now he can go through the process to getting this team to respectability and contention. Sometimes you have to put the mirror on the stubborn ass to get the stubborn ass to see the errs of his ways.
I agree. To say otherwise is just another attempt at rationalizing what went down on the 2006 draft. As I've posted before, this is an issue that cling to this franchise like an albatross until the Texans start beating the Titans on a consistent basis. However, should the Texans falter next season while VY leads the Titans to the playoffs then look out below because this BBS may just explode.
Our team is hilarious We pass on two of the best QB prospects to come out since P Manning because we have such a great prospect of our own named Carr Now we are scrambling around trying to figure out if we can get Plummer, T Green, Garcia, or some of the scrubs in this year's draft because they are better than Carr I love the Texans player evaluation experts who are paid millions to do football math- Carr is > V Young and M Leinart Carr is < J Plummer and J Garcia V Young and M Leinart are > J Plummer and J Garcia I said it last season- if my football team is 2-14 and I have the #1 pick in the draft, unless my QB is named Peyton my rebuilding begins at QB if a potentially great one is available. When you start at 2-14 you build a team at three areas QB, OL and DL. I think the Texans should be forced to start Carr as punishment. If I could trade the #8 down not more than 6 spots and pick up an additional first day pick - DO IT. Here are some lock picks for the Texans and most of them are going beyond #8- LaRon Landry, Chris Houston, Leon Hall, Marshawn Lynch, Levi Brown, Okoye, Alan Branch, Ted Ginn Jr., Adam Carriker Assuming Russell, Thomas, Peterson, Johnson, Adams don't fall and we stay clear of Brady Quinn- There are 9 players who could really help this team and draftable between picks 9-14 (you could substitute your favorite receiver in place of Ginn) If we could trade down and pick up either a 2nd or 3rd round pick that would be a home run. If someone fell down that some team really wanted I think we should really try hard to go down a few spots and pick up another 3rd round pick. edit- corrections
for the seven trillionth time, the decision was not this black and white, nor this simple. it was never carr or young (or leinart or cutler). it was carr + the #1 pick or the #1 pick + the cash savings from carr. and as we've seen this offseason, having money to spend on FAs doesn't mean free agents want your money (coughcoughtennesseecoughcough).
I realize that, I posted last season before the Rose Bowl and made this case. My thread (prior to the Rose Bowl) was why we should draft VY if he decided to come out. In another thread I begged for the Texans to save the cash and take the #1 pick + cash option. It's just my opinion but last December I believed that VY or Leinart were the very best picks for the Texans. I stated that Reggie Bush was over rated and would not be an every down NFL back. I stated that D Carr was bad and it became obvious to me after his 2nd season. My opinion was that the Texans had a no brainer decision to rebuild the franchise properly. And that it was so obvious after all the previous blunders that they would be far better off by the end of last season if they had drafted VY- I said last December that would give them the opportunity to have their QB of the future by the end of the season and then they could focus on other areas of need. I love the way we drafted last season past the first round. Every year I keep a draft board, my son and I have a draft party and every year since year one I have out drafted the Texans. And I know very little compared to their experts, scouts, GM's and coaches. I don't pretend to know more than them, I just draft better than they do. Kubiak did pretty well last season, I did not draft D Ryans, I had Winston Justice at that pick, that was the first time in a long time that the Texans beat me on a pick. This thread is about draft ineptitude and if I can out draft the Texans, then they are just inept- because I don't know squat compared to the staff they have working each season on the draft. I am a pastor not a football guru.
Not only that...but we gave Carr a big extension which makes him even more difficult to move. Fantastic. I'm with you...we had the #1 pick and 3 highly rated QB's on the board. We extended our veteran...and when we did that, effectively made it impossible to take one of those QB's. Now...less than a year later...we're looking for a new QB, because we no longer believe in the guy we gave the extension to. Horrible decision making.
I agree with MadMax and rhester. And I'll go a step further and say that Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers should be FIRED!
The point is...it's history. At some point, you have to move on. I'm more concerned about the future than the past.
a lot of that history will be forgotten once they stop making the same mistake over and over again -> starting carr each year is the mistake thats needs to be corrected
but we're being limited by that history RIGHT NOW. it's the story of this offseason, as well...because that's when the implications are being felt. it's limiting on the future we're all concerned about. that's the point.
I'm just nervous, that's all. I am trying to believe in Kubiak and Smith. After all Demeco Ryans, Owen Daniels, Charles Spencer are three very good reasons to be optimistic. But I am nervous because if we stick with Carr and bust our first round pick this year I will... Pray for patience, I guess.
