And that kinda makes Carr's extension less "stupid". If it doesn't cost much cap space to cut him, then he has all the reason in the world to perform up to expectations, right? "Play like a pro-bowler and be paid like one, or we'll cut your ass like a practice squad reject."
Absolutely. I wasn't a fan of the extension because I thought the team should have moved on, but I didn't really have a problem with it. It's not a really big commitment in the grand scheme of things.
except... there's a financial aspect to this that has nothing to do with the salary cap and everything to do with bob mcnair's pocket, as, i assume, he's already paid carr the $8M. so while it's easy to justify a "savings" on paper (which is really all the cap is), i doubt mcnair sees it that way. now, obviously, you sleep in the bed you make, right? but assuming carr's fate was not long ago determined by mcnair, i would guess he's not all together thrilled his new head coach is about (or wants) to jettison the guy mcnair just paid $8M based on, among other things, the advice of said new head coach. i think kubiak may be in a dubious spot here. releasing or trading carr confirms your first-ever decision as a head coach was wrong and costly, not only from a financial standpoint, but (potentially) it also cost you vince young.
That post could close this thread... best assessment Dear Mr. McNair, I was wrong about David Carr, for my next big decision he will be gone and we will reach for some kind of replacement. Hope you can see we are righting the ship. We are cleaning up the mess. Sincerely, Kubes PS- If this setback is going to come between us Dave can stay.
if Carr is released, i respect Kubiak for that decision. at least Kubiak isn't gonna try to right a ship that's pretty much at the bottom of the ocean now.
I', a titans fans 1st, texans fan 2nd. I think the texans made the decision they thought was right at the time. I'm in the minority because i dont think you have to have a franchise qb to be successful. If the team built is built to last meaning the lines are good and you get solid qb play, the team can win alot of games. Football is a game of atrision no matter how everyone look at it. I know you see the qb,wr,rb and db, but if the lines dont make it happen, then its a no go. Had Carr made a throw here or a throw there, this team would have been 8-8. Put pennington in houston last year and the team is at least 8-8. Now some qb's are playmakes and i think vince fits into that category, but mario can be one also like tommie harris,freeney, and those other guys on the lines coming up with big sacks, strips and etc. I think what Kubiak and smith are doing now is what should have been done in year one. Build the lines, then add skill players and dont give away no draft picks, add draft picks. Had McNair got kubiak that 1st season, this franchise would be in alot better shape. That being said, the texans should draft okoye,branch,or anderson to further build the defensive line. The arrow is going up for the texans, i wish people would stop whinning
Certainly - but that's a sunk cost. If McNair is smart, he won't make future financial decisions based on sunk costs. The amount spent on the cap is also the amount spent in real life. In total, if there is a cap savings, there is also a real-life savings. It may be distributed differently, but the total is always the same. Just because he has paid Carr $8MM doesn't mean it's a good or bad decision to pay him another $11MM to keep him the next two years - that's the only money that should matter from McNair's standpoint. I agree with this - it's a tricky situation to be in. But if you're willing to make a second mistake because you don't want to admit your first one, that's not a sign of a good coach or organization.
true, but you're viewing his salary in a vaccum; it's the sunk cost + whatever he then has to pay his replacement. i wouldn't think an astute businessman of mcnair's stature would shy away from cutting his losses; nor do i think he'll give a pass to anyone (coughcoughkubiakcoughcough) who may have had a hand in it. it's certainly an interesting look at how the football aspect can sometimes collide with the financial aspect. from day one, i thought kubiak was walking into a lose-lose situation. if he tells mcnair carr is worthless, he sells his offensive geniusness short; if he tells mcnair carr is the offspring of johnny unitas, he's linked his career and reputation to carr's success (or lack of). now, a year later, he's telling mcnair carr is worthless and the team needs to move on....? might the right, commendable decision, but man, if i'm mcnair........
Not necessarily, I think McNair was the one dead set on extending Carr. When Kubiak took he job he said he could work with carr and groom him based on what he had seen. After a full year, he realizes that its not going to work and they need to make a change. That doesn't necessarily mean Kubiak just downgraded his offensive genius, he just evaluated carrs talent wrong from what he had seen from the outside. Now that he has had hands on work for a season, he knows its time for a change
Yes, but that's what most Houston fans here do well. B*tch and whine, b*tch and whine! We could have a lifetime supply of massengil douches for all those who never feel very fresh and they still wouldn't have enough to supply this city with, hell this BBS which at times should just be referred to as the big BS board. Just like the late Rodney Dangerfield once said, "hey, tough crowd out there ..."
Not just yet, leebigez. Maybe in a few years but not now. We'll just have to let this thing run its course and then we'll be in a better position to make that determination.
I just realized something.... The Texans had the #1 pick last year. Vince Young was drafted 3rd That means they could have drafted Vince Young. I mean has anyone else thought of this??? Jeez...man. That puts a whole new spin on things. Hard to believe with all the members on this BBS that I was the very first to figure this out.
