This thread is sad, but true...Of course we all wish VY was here, but he's not...I'll cheer for him every year, except two times a year...He wasn't very dominating, IMHO, until the last play of the game, which of course, counts the most...
I disagree. I am a Troy Smith fan. IF he grades out with an NFL arm I would not hesitate with a mid 1st. I don't think with any other college QB in the land that I have seen instand of him would TOSU be undefeated, Troy Smith made plays in the Mich, Texas and one other game (Iowa?) that I havn't seen another college QB this year who would have made them. No, he isn't VY, but noone else is either and Troy Smith is defintely the best player this year in college football. BTW I am the only one who thinks Brady Quinn can be very inaccurate and this would trouble me as a #1 pick? I am not as overwhelmingly sure he will be better than Carr and has this limitless upside that I saw with VY. Finally, Cutler has not impressed me at all (granted only 2 starts, but ML and VY looked more promising early and they play for worse teams and started without the degree of prep Culter got). Denver right now would be better with Plummer as the starter. And Plummer was a guy considered to have "it". A superbly clutch and sneaky (AKA Jake the Snake) college QB. Plummer is a scapegoat in Denver (while they waiton the next Elway), but he is at least an average NFL QB. At this point I think the Texans should add Adrian Pederson if they can and add later flyer QB picks. I wouldn't give up on Carr, but get some guys flyers who might upseat him.
Voted Mario Williams. Am not an Aggie. Am admittedly not a Horns fan, but my fave pro football athlete wore Burnt Orange before he wore #34 in Columbia Blue.
Troy Smith is a much better passer than some of you guys are giving him credit for and isn't much shorter than Drew Brees.
The line is just an excuse. Our O-Line is doing an adequate job. Not great but adequate. The reason they look bad is the guy they protect sucks. Look at what VY is doing with a mediocre O-Line. Let's face it. We are not going to get 5-6 new stud OL anytime soon. What do you do, then? You adapt to what you have. Vince or even Reggie (who has looked better in the last two games) would have helped to hide our mediocre O-Line. After watching this season, I'm starting to think the O-Line got a bum rap having to take credit for David's 70+ sacks.
First of all... the line sucks. Bottom of the basement talent before this year... and then injuries have depleted it even more to its worse shape ever. Not one bit of effort was made to improve the line before this past draft... and that was after the Boseli debacle which left them without a backup plan. Kubiak has already gone on record saying pass protection is a problem. It influences why they have to do what they do. Sure, Carr wouldn't be the best QB ever even with protection... but to say that the line is adequate would be inaccurate, even if you loathe Carr. But, I agree with you... you have to adapt. You can't have a gameplan where the QB needs to drop back, survey the field, and pass... it doesn't work here (and thus you see dink and dump). Young would definitely look better behind this line... so would Vick. Manning would not look as good as he does in Indy. But, it remains to be seen if a scrambling QB can both have a long career, as well as lead a team to a super bowl.... and no successful playoff team out there has mediocre front lines.
I voted Mario Williams on the whole "You build a team from the trenches out" premise. Whatever Vince Young does should not take away what Mario Williams is doing. Drafting Vince Young would be like adding a nice addition to a house falling down because of a bad foundation. Drafting Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart would be like painting that same house.
Then what is drafting David Carr when there literally is no foundation? Putting a big screen tv in a pile of dirt?
Yea... those guys couldn't throw at all... I wouldn't even include McNabb in the class of scramble-only QB's... i'm talking about guys who might as well run first, because it gives their team the best chance to win (not because they're awful passers... but because they're such great runners). Kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, Vince Young. These guys are so damn talented once they get going with their feet... its impossible to simply tell them to try and make plays only with their arm. You wouldn't buy a Ferrari, and only drive around your neighborhood at 20mph with it. I'm just waiting for the coach/offensive coordinator who can fully utilize that talent. Vince seems to have it going for him to the point that he doesn't need tremendous WR's or an OL to make it happen. I thought Vick would have his by now... but he's probably hit his ceiling.
These guys were pocket passer first and scramblers second. Also all of these guys had A+ arms, while VY does not (yet).
Oh come on....Vince can throw.....the running part is just an added dimension...John Elway is probably the best example. There are tons of examples of QBs that can run as well as throw....Vince has proven he can throw too......he is a triple threat. DD
For the last time... I thought the team couldn't go wrong with either (for much different reasons... VY being the hometown kid, but Mario being a guy who helps an awful defense). I just was never on the "draft bush" bandwagon.
out of that group only Elway started out throwing as well as VY is throwing. They all ended up great passers, just give VY time, he is just beginning to develop.
I never ever ever said he was an awful thrower... he can throw. I'm just saying that his RUNNING gives his team a better chance to win than his throwing does... (and btw, Elway had literally the best arm ever to play QB in the NFL... his scrambling was simply the added dimension). If you tried to make VY into a pocket QB who executed the west coast offense (like Elway was)... you'd be doing his legs a disservice.
I'm with you, I still don't like Bush as an overall #1 pick. Not enough of an impact. VY was the 'One'
Totally agree. In honestly VY is unique in his own skill set. He will become better as a passer and if he is going to be truly great he will have to continue to run smartly. He is just special.
