[Texans & Carr] Someone please explain something to me....

I find it funny to hear that so many media people say "I think Carr will be gone next year" when there is ZERO evidence the organization intends to trade or get rid of him. No one on the coaching staff or in management has indicated at all that Carr will be gone.

If Carr is gone, it will be based more on salary cap considerations and trade value. Not on the fact that Vince Young is doing well in Tennesse or the fact that fans are "sick" of David Carr.

I personally hope we bring in some QBs to compete for the starting job. But you might as well keep Carr as a 2nd stringer if you can't get anything of value for him.

 

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Because those that say he will are idiots. Carr is not the problem. He is the result of the problem.

 

Carr is a major part of the Problem. He has no leadership skills and no will to win. He has no killer instinct and no motivation. A guy who was pick #1 OVERALL in the draft needs to be able to do more than "manage" a game. We should not just be asking him to not loose the game. He should be able at least occasionally take this team on his back a start a game winning drive. How much better is the Titans or Cardinals O line, yet VY and Lienart are able to make plays that David Carr will never come close to doing.

 

I don't think Carr will be gone next year. I expect he'll either get competition from a veteran or try to hold off a rookie (2nd or 3rd round pick). I don't think there will be any good QBs available like Brees (available because of injury concern) was last year.

 

Try not to succumb to generalized finger pointing statements. You made no mention on what Carr could have required to do the right job.

Do you honestly believe that any qb would have been successful with what Carr has been supplied? Perhaps VY could have improved it, but not playoffs. I say that because VY is a running threat. A pocket passer most likely would have suffered career ending injuries. Carr is tough. I'm frustrated about this year, but he didn't personally injure his linemen.

This team needs the right players and time with the new coaches and system.

 

yeah it's typical for teams and team officials to give a substantial amount of public notice in such a situation, lol.

 

Actually, interestingly enough David Carr came out of the gate playing really well -- he was among the top 5 quarterbacks in the league in passer rating for about 5-6 weeks or so. Then injuries started to hit the already mediocre O-line, and not-so-coincidentally, David's performance headed for the gutter. Frankly I still think David can be a serviceable starting quarterback behind a good offensive line -- he's never going to be a Brett Favre or Tom Brady, but he can still be a "good" quarterback if you protect him consistently.

That said, he still deserves some of the crap he's gotten recently, and there's just too much negativity around him at this point. He has sort of worn out his welcome in Houston. If anything, the Texans need a change for the sake of change -- for the good of both David Carr and the organization.

 

Good post. I *do* remember that he came out of the gate well (but not Pro Bowl by any stretch). Part of the reason he's convinced me he won't cut it, is his response to the o-line injuries. It seems a little two-faced when I've trumpted the whole "he'd be better with an o-line" mantra for four and a half years, but the line is *still* better than last year. When adversity hit, DC just tanked. Hard.

I believe what the Texans saw in DC at Fresno State was substantive. I believe he's shell-shocked and needs a change of scenery. I believe the Texans need something new, as well.

 

Here's what's funny, though. As best I can tell, it was the anti-VY crowd who riled up the argument. Me and Ima were talking about who the most divisive player in Houston sports is. I said VY. All of a sudden there was a crapstorm.

 

I think the only system that Carr could succed in is like the situation Kyle Orton was in last year. He needs a killer defense where the O really doesn't matter

 

So true.

I don't think we'll ever know what Carr really has as a QB until he goes somewhere else. I think it's best for the Texans and Carr himself if we cut ties and go in a different direction.

 

Carr will be a very good QB. Whether it is for the Texans, remains to be seen.

 

statements like this are so freakin ridiculous and petty. why can't some of you guys who never wanted young just admit the guys who did want him were right. its hilarious, you still hang on to the myth that only ut/texan fans are infatuated with him when he's the talk of the whole freakin nfl. he's gonna be the rookie of the year. but yeah, its just us texans fans who have a hard on about what could have, no what should have been. sigh

instead of knocking fans for loving vince young, knock the texans for still being sorry organization. don't take your frustration out on us because we could see the obvious.

 

Out of curiousity, what have you seen in him that makes you believe that?

 

Well, they got Earl about 25 years ago, so in 2031 or so we can have this discussion again.

 

Most of us have admitted that we should have taken him. It's just that we've since moved on...

 

But he said the opportunity may never come around again - not wouldn't. Unless a team is consistently the worst in the NFL, it's just not that often that a team is going to get the top pick in a draft with ridiculous top-tier talent.

If you assume that a team will get the #1 pick about once every 32 years (32 teams) and that about half the drafts have that wow-talent at the top (Manning or Young/Bush instead of Carr or Couch), you're talking about, on average, once every 64 years. That's a lifetime in less developed countries.

 

Really? That's funny, because it seems that the "haters" seem to like bringing up Vince in a lot of threads that have nothing to do with him, or even with sports. Say this one, for example:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=122488

 

Exactly.

I love watching Vince play, I wish the Texans drafted him, but there's not a damn thing anybody can do to change thing so what's the purpose of going round & round having the identical arguement that's been going on for a year or so?