[Texans & Carr] Someone please explain something to me....

Huh???

Carr is divisive because of who he is???

Do we even know what we're arguing about anymore?

look..ima said Carr was the most divisive athlete in houston history. i said it's VY. that's it. somehow it's blown up to be a lot more than that.

 

Vince Young's impact has never been about his passer rating, though. He wins - everywhere he goes, he wins. It's not always pretty, and it's not always obvious why, but it happens. He can have a terrible game but have that game winning play or quarter or whatever it is (see the NY game). If you're measuring him by his QB rating, you completely missed the boat on him.

 

It's the worst start by an expansion team in league history. Because what we thought was progress resulted in a 2-14 season last year. And because of extremely questionable draft day decisions year after year.

 

Wait a minute - for months and months people were defending the organization and calling people who wanted Vince (or Bush) idiots and saying "just wait and you'll see" or what not. If they didn't want to hear crap about it if they were wrong, they shouldn't have said anything back then.

And it *is* because of who he is. Notice no one is "taunting" over the fact that Bush is doing well - it's just Vince. It's definitely connected to who he is. As far as the taunting goes, you have just as many idiots blabbing about how "true fans" wouldn't root for Vince or anything Tennessee or how Vince fans are gay or all sorts of other non-sense - the taunting and trolling (why are a bunch of VY-haters posting in a VY is Great thread?) comes from both sides.

 

First, I am no Vince Young fan. (edit- I do like watching him play and I really wanted him on the Texans)
I really believe he is a one of a kind talent.

Second, I fully understand that we didn't draft VY and he probably will not ever play for the Texans. I am well over that.

As far as understanding why we made the 'mistake'- It's hard to forget.

It is still with me like the Buffalo playoff lost. I am over it, but I can't seem to forget it.

I am not going to stop supporting the Texans. I just get sick when we do really stupid moves and I don't like the team to lose.

 

You seriously don't know? Or are you just trying to stir the pot?

You should go back and do a search in this forum before opening up that stale can of worms.

 

The Texans are the worst expansion team in the history of the NFL. No other team has had a worse record then them in a five year period. Most teams were able to make it to the playoffs within their first five years as well.

 

It's one thing to simply argue the merits of various players. It's a completely other one to whine about a franchise slapping you in the face because they didn't take the guy you wanted or to stop rooting for your team because they didn't take that guy. If that's the case, quit talking about the Texans and go ahead and buy your Titans gear. Yeah, it was most likely a mistake, even though I still believe you can't judge a draft by one single year, but either support the team or don't. I don't want to hear whining about the Texans giving the bird to the fans by not taking VY. I mean, you have people calling the owner racist for not taking VY. That's childish and ignorant.

Uh, how is it idiotic to say one is not a true fan of one team if they root for another team to beat said team? Would I be a true Rockets fan if I rooted for the Mavericks every time they played? Of course not. In the context of fandom, true fans don't root against their team except in obscure cases where a loss would actually help that team, but not in a regular season game in the middle of the season against a division rival. And the gay jokes wouldn't happen if, you know, all the VYOFs didn't soundn so gay when they talked about him.

 

why do you give a damn about who others root for. if you want to continue to root for the texans, continue, if other people don't that's their perogative.

 

Why do you give a damn about me giving a damn about who others root for? If I want to continue to call people out for people abandoning the team they had been rooting for and start rooting for a divisional rival, that's my perogative.

Hell, why do you give a damn that people don't like Steve Francis or Isiah Thomas? If people don't want to like those guys, that's their perogative.*






*This post not approved by pgabriel.

 

you calling out me defending francis while you continue this "true fan" act is hilarious. you're the biggest b**** crybaby on this board who gets banned from forums for his b****ing.

edit: when I argue about francis, I argue about actual game and accomplishments, I don't give a crap about who people like. just that their dislike doesn't judge their criticism. your whole "true fan" arguement is irrational.

 

You're sweet.

 

you're a true fan, better than all the rest of us.

 

Well finally, someone gets it.

 

look, you can call me out for arguing for francis all those years but at least my arguments for francis rely on actual basketball play, statistics, and results. not once have I ever suggested that someone root for steve francis because he plays for the rockets. you're only argument is that we should support this team because its a houston. that's not enough for some people. you can't keep relying on that when they are right now the worst expansion team in nfl history. and they may have screwed up a once in a life time draft. an opportunity they may never come around again.

so we can all move ahead, but they may never get that chance again to make inroads, not only on a marketing front, but on the playing field, grabbing a once in a life time talent. the bulls only had one jordan, but they'll have fans forever because of it. the rockets will have fans forever because of olajuwon, and now because of yao. not because they slapped houston on their jersey. that's how you earn fans, on the playing field. that's the reality that you need to accept.

 

I understand all of that, but not taking VY doesn't mean that the Texans won't ever put a good product on the football field. Hell, the Titans barely beat the Texans a couple weeks ago and had it not been for the worst half of football in David Carr's career, we should've beat them in Nashville back in October. If the Texans are so terrible and the Titans so great, how does that happen?

I wasn't necessarily calling you out for defending Francis, I was simply saying me arguing about this is something I choose to argue about even if you don't care. I don't care about the Francis thing or the Isiah thing, but I'm not going to tell you that you can't argue about it. If you don't want to read my arguments and think I'm the biggest crybaby on this board, there's a neat little feature called the ignore list. I suggest you use it.

 

who in the world suggested otherwise??? you keep overstating the position of the people on the other side of this argument from you. you're putting them behind indefensible positions they never took to begin with.

they made a huge mistake. that's what i'm saying. on and off the field, VY would have meant a TON to this franchise. and somehow they didn't have the foresight to see that. i still don't understand how.

 

its not the argument, its the condescending tone of saying you are a better fan or truer fan.

and as madmax pointed out, the vy draft pick is not in a vacum.

 

Have you listened to sports radio any time in the past 8 months?

That's fine and I don't necessarily disagree. It's just that there's nothing that can be done about it now so I don't see the use in continuing to whine about it. I view sports as entertainment and if I felt so damn miserable about this like so many people do, I wouldn't even want to follow it anymore. It doesn't make sense to me. It'd be like me going to see Celine Dion over and over and over in concert even though I hate her music.

 

I've posted numerous times that I am discussing this in the context of sports and sports only. I don't feel different about anyone because they chose to root for a division rival over the Texans because of who they did or did not pick in the draft.

And I'm sorry if my opinion is that you're not as big a Texans fan as me if you root for their division rival to beat them. Just like I wouldn't consider someone to be as big a Rockets fan as me if they rooted for Dallas everytime they played the Rockets. I'm not understanding why this is so offensive to people or hard to understand.

Again, if I offend you so much, use the ignore list. It's wonderful.