Tex Winter Ranks Eric Snow, Tinsley, Bremer, + more ahead of SF!

How ironic that YOU say this...

 

Fact of the matter is that it is Tex Winter's list not DavidS'. It was not DavidS that put Francis below the aforementioned players. But beside that I would consider Tex Winter a more expert opinion than anyone on this board for one, he has worked for and with some of the best players and coaches ever and has the hardware to back it up and two, he sees these players on a nightly basis while all you see is Sportscenter stats and highlights. Many of you on this very board make judgements on players based solely on stats with no reguard how that player gets those stats. Your judgements are ill advised and of very little substance. I for one am not going to make a call as to where Francis belongs on that list, but what I can tell you is that Francis is a terrible PG. Reasons for this being his uncontroled, sloppy play, poor decision making, inability to run an efficient offense, zero court vision, questionable leadership and an overall lacking in true basketball knowledge.


If it was all about stats I would still rather have Arenas who puts up similar numbers in comparison to Steve and makes alot less money.


edit: And I almost forgot; you can't dispute the fact that he has shown ZERO IMPROVEMENT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS!

 

Man, everyone knows eric snow is the real reason why the 76ers got to the finals and gilbert arenas is so good of a point guard he jacks up shots from 35 feet out.

 

hmmmm.....are you really davids with another user name and e-mail?

 

Thats pretty funny, but no.

 

Magic Johnson averaged 18, 21, 18, and 16 points in his first four seasons, respectively; with assists, he averaged 7,8,9, and 8. Based solely on the theory that one must show an improvement each year statistically, and disregarding the fact that SF is not in the same class with Magic, your theory about the improvement speaks for itself.

Bottom line is that Rockets fans need to get over the expectation of Francis being one of the top 5 players in the league. He's not there, but he may get there a la Drexler. If not, who cares?

I asked my cousin in New York who watches basketball religiously, all teams, about the general opinion of Francis (he's now very interested in the Rockets as he is a big JVG fan). He was surprised at the negative reactions from many Rockets fans. Most individuals consider him one of the best all-around players in the game, although not on the elite level with Duncan, McGrady, etc. This is in New York, so take it for what it's worth.

He's not the best PG, but jeez, not in the top 10? Aren't we being a little biased here? Hmm.

 

Old man Winter must have had his 1st bout with Alzheimer !
Steve has his faults but he is surely better than more than half the names on those lists!

 

For the record, I agree with Tex Winter

 

Ask Tex.

Not as funny as Francis being left off the list!

 

Uh, it is Francis that is our supposed "leader."

But I'm glad you care for my well-being.


By the way, none of you guys will ever understand what flaws I see in SF game until you see what you've been missing.

Maybe this year, maybe next year. I really do believe that JVG will help Francis. So far he's been everything I've expected. And Francis seems to be willing to learn, not a hot head. So, we'll see.

And for those of you that think that his ppg has to drop for his assist to rise. Well, that's not of concern. All I care about is his turnovers. Not turnovers on attempted passes. But UNFORCED turnovers when he dribbles off his foot, or drives into the lane and gets the ball stripped. Or those football passes that go over players heads out of bounds. Knuckle head mistakes.

Sigh...

I mean, his ppg and assist both may rise (23ppg/7apg) if his turnovers drop (2.9). Easy scoring due to superior court vision does have an effect on ones scoring as well as teammates (By the way, that means less shots for Mobley. It becomes more of a *team* distribution task for Francis -- on opportunity --, rather than just giving the ball to Mobley and letting him go ISO.).

Although I would have put Francis low on the combo list. Tex has his own reason.

I don't think Francis had any chance to change under Rudy. So, that's the good news. The changes are subtle that deal with timing, angles and decision making, but the effects are great! The strange thing is that it requires hours and hours of dedicated individual practice with JVG and trainers. It requires great sacrifice. It's not easy.

If Francis changes for the better, you will notice! And when, or IF, that happens, you wont like the "old Francis," PERIOD!

 

Your whole post is irrelevant. I never even mentioned Magic Johnson or that "one must show and improvement each year statistically." I personally don't have any idea where you came up with that. And i'm not trying to be mean or rude by saying this: but I could really care less about what your cousin in New York thinks about Francis. The simple fact is that i've watched this team and the foolery Francis brings to it on an everyday basis. I am not some fairweather fan that watches minimal games or one that flakes out on their team. I am also not a "homer" like rockets#1 that thinks everything the Rockets do is a godsend. What I am is a basketball purist first, and a Rockets fan at very close second. But these two go hand in hand.

 

Personally I think he just forgot.

I would classify some of those "combo" guards as having better pg skills than stevie, hell better pg skills than some on his pg list.

I agree with much of what DavidS has been posting.

 

I personally think he just forgot too. Because in the same magazine, when they are analyzing the Rockets, they say pretty much possitve things about Francis.

But none the less Tex is a JackAss.

 

DavidS is annoying as hell.. maybe its Tex Winters in disguise?!?!?? hmmmm.... something to think about.. haha

 

good, level-headed comment.

reactionary comment- you are missing the POINT.

 

There is no point. Especially when someone formulates their own ideas and thoughts and pawns them off as some lewd conjecture of my thoughts. Once again dandorotik's post was irrelevant in the fact that there was no substantial comparison between the two posts.

 

egn,
i think he was probably responding more to the whole gist of the thread than specifically to your post. i just think that the quote was of relevance, if not to you specifically, then in general. i just thought you dismissed it a little to harshly. it's all just reasonable debate. -PEACE

 

Just curious David, are you a Rockets fan? Are they your favourite team or...??

And BTW, it's funny how u were sayin how we are biasd because we are Francis/Rockets fans.... and then we have a Portland fan come here and say he is a top 5 pg. Answer to questions that have been asked and you haven't answered.... i dare you too!

 

I am late to this thread. It just amazes me that DavidS and egn would actually defend the list and claim to be serious. I am no Francis apologist. But it is just absurd.

It's a lot more reasonable to believe the two other theories: (1) Winter simply forgot about Francis; or (2) Winter deliberately wanted to humiliate Francis. No other explanations make sense.

Just this: If CD announced that he had traded Francis for any of the PGs below #4 on that list, what would you think?