Tex Winter Ranks Eric Snow, Tinsley, Bremer, + more ahead of SF!

man, you're becoming a parody of yourself in this thread. you gonna bring up ps2, hummers, and the word gangsta to get all the hip words you can think of into the argument?

if you school someone on a crossover and proceed to score an easy layup, yeah that proves you can put points on the board for your team. or should i type "TEAM" like you do?

since you've got it all figured out, please tell us what eric snow and jr bremer have proved. please tell us who they've led to greatness. i'm eager to hear it.

i'm quite sure bremer's 8 pts and 4 asts have been done before (or whatever he does). in your world of "dunks bad, flashy bad, must be pure must be pure, oh no a crossover!" you completely negate anything anyone does that isn't pure, and pure just seems to be whatever you want it to be at any given moment.

francis isn't complete but snow is? can snow shoot from more than 15 feet, can he create his own shot? can he dribble in and draw a double team to open people up? can he draw fouls on all the other teams big men? can he rebound or steal as well as steve. what exactly is so complete about snow. and we won't even discuss bremer.

uhh, ok. i guess i do. i'll remember this, trust me. it's good to remember what people say so they can't flip flop all the time.

 

There was a lot of discussion on Francis being 4th.

But I tell you what. Something I noticed, but no one would bring up, is why others weren't higher on the list?

But again, this is a Rocket BBS. So, it's no big deal. It's to be expected.

 

It is kinda Ironic how david says Steve doesnt have a complete game as others in the nba, but infact steve is famous for his completeness. He is the only other player besides KG that puts up 20+ 6+ 6+ in the NBA. That has to say something!!!! I think putting 20+ 6+ 6+ on a nightly baises should be enough to be better than the superstars of this league for example Jr Bremer, Wagner, and Tinsely

 

I think arguing with him is proving to be pointless. He is obviously a Francis hater, even if he claims not to be.

He thinks that: Steve Nash (looks real good next to Dirk and Finley, huh?), Mike Bibby (One good playoff series and he becomes the most overrated player in history), Jason Williams (led the Grizzlies to...nowhere, and don't give me Sacramento. I could be the point guard there and they'd still be a great team), Tony Parker (*cough*Tim Duncan*cough*), Eric Snow (Nothing without AI) , Sam Cassell (Plays less defense than Steve and losing his game with each passing year), Tinsley (Even fans in Indy want his head on a platter, can't shoot for anything), Arenas (Steve Francis lite) , Billups (3rd option on an Eastern Conference team...woo.) , Andre Miller (Has he EVER been on a team above .500?), Wagner (A.I. lite...and about a fourth of the game), Bobby Jackson (career bench player) , and Nick Van Exel (looks really good when he's playing the second team PG's, huh?) are all proven winners with great leadership ability, complete players, and all better than Steve Francis...

 

Does anyone really care what Tex Winter has to say?

Most everything coming out of L.A. is part of a vast propaganda machine anyway. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

 

so essentially everyone else is stupid and you're smart? the only thing they see is how many points he scores? so when he's outscoring them, outassisting them (in bibby's case and he's tied with arenas i think), out rebounding them, and proving to be far more valuable to his team than them, we're just looking at his scoring? seems to me you just try to find intangibles, blow them up to massive proportions, and ignore anything that might remotely relate to trying to do something by yourself, like score.

 

To be honest with you, the only franchise combo/PG players on those lists are Kidd and A.I. In which case I would understand why he wasn't placed on any of the lists. Steve isn't the type of player -- yet... -- that can take a team to the finals. History tells us that PG's just aren't the best players to base a franchise around. But this isn't a list on "franchise players." If it was, why would Bremer or Wagner be placed on it?

As far as talent, skills, and stats are conserned; Steve should be on one of those lists regardless of his "holes." I have no clue as to why he isn't on the list, but you have to admit that it is strange when a Rookie that spent most of his season on the IL makes it higher than Steve.

 

As you know I'm not a fan of Francis's style. That I'm sure of. But at the same time I've stated that Rudy is partly to blame.

If Francis makes turn-around this coming year. We'll know where part of the problem resided (Rudy). Then, and only then will you see the holes in Francis's game.

Now, I want you to personally write Tex Winter and ask him if it was "senility" for the reason he didn't list Francis, please do.

 

yes, yes they are. ask anybody.

 

Are you comparing KG to Francis?

Sigh...those commentators are just being nice.

 

Are you comparing Snow to Francis???


No im not comparing those two. Im just stating a really rare feat francis has accomplished.

 

way too harsh. steve is the best rebounding point guard along with J Kidd. steve is in the top 5 point guards in the league with a shadow of a doubt !!.

 

give me his email and will do. i didn't check the article, was it in there? i'll post his reply. that is if he can even remember i sent him the email.

 

No. I not saying that.

I'm saying, calm down. Stop being so reactionary. You guys want Tex's head on a platter.

If Tex is "senile" then you are right. But then, were would he rank them.

If Tex is not "senile" then why did he leave Francis off the list?

That's why I would put him on the combo list...not sure where though. I'd have to read more about the "up and comers."

But I wouldn't just put Francis at the top of the list just because he's a Rocket.

 

Yes. Because they were PG.

KG is a Power Forward. Check his rebounds.

20+, 6+, 6+ does not do KG justice.

It's just a "nice" stat.

 

I would put him on top of the list because hes better than JR Bremer... But for real... hes defenitly better than Baron Davis!!!!

 

so is anyone on this site ever allowed to think a rocket is good w/o you calling homerism on them?

i mean geez, francis was voted ASG started, EVERY analyst who didn't think he should start had him on the team, on power rankings he's consistently top 12-14, and 20/6/6 isn't a "nice" stat, it's something only 2 player did, and only 3 others (kobe/tmac/kidd) could claim to be close to. steve may be at the bottom of that list of 5 players, but that's a damn good list to be on.

he's the 2nd combo guard behind iverson and most agreed with his ranking of 4th pg. or are we just all homers and you aren't.
i'm going to the gym for two hours, i'll be expecting tex's email somewhere in this thread when i get back.

 

francis 4 prez,

Do you know what I really want? I want Francis to change his game to be a compete player. Maybe that will take 3 more years. Maybe not.

But the main issue is that you see him in action, with low turnovers, excellent efficiency, first hand. That's why it's so hard to put numbers and stats to those type of things. You actually have to see him do the little things on the court yourself. Once you see that in action, your whole outlook on what makes a basketball player will change.

And I tell you what, 20 years from now, when some kid basketball player comes into the league with his "flashy style." You will role your eyes. Been there, done that.

The main thing is, if you ever see Francis become a compete player, you will never expect anything less from any other PG on the Rockets.

And Francis will not be called a "good PG," he will not be called a "great point guard" he will be called "the best of the best."

 

Well, not before Baron had the knee problems. But after.

I want to see what Baron does this year.

Kinda like Vince Carter was out of the limelight for a while due to his knee (people were saying that he "sucked" because he wan't doing much).

 

Davis's carrer numbers
13 6.5 4
Steve''s carrer numbers
21 6 6