I agree that it appears that Islam is generating a lot of terrorists, but until there was some type of controlled study I don't think you can draw the conclusions that you're trying to make. There are plenty examples of non-Muslim humans doing horrific things across all geographic regions, religions, etc. Fifty-six million died in WWII and the Muslims had nothing to do with the start of that. Mass murder (including children)? Non-Muslim Europeans, Africans, Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians ... the list would go on for a while.
Cohen, I agree humanity has been awful for centuries, and Christianity was part of the problem. Once we rooted the church out of government things got much better. The Middle East will always have these problems until they get "ALLAH" out of government as well. I guess the terrorist issue is this generations problem to solve. Back on topic. I don't understand how ANYONE can think that taking children hostage is going to get support from around the world. CHILDREN !!! Unbelievable. DD
We're off on a tangent, so let's restate: Threatening the lives of children is beyond the pale disgusting. I hope and pray that they all come out of this safe.
I would just like to state that I agree with everything DaDakota said in this thread. Even if there might have been a legitimate cause originally - they have put themselves so far on the side of injustice that everyone who was behind the original cause should distance himself from it now. Only shame to ever have been associated with these bastards is what can be left.
Originally posted by DaDakota Cohen, I agree humanity has been awful for centuries, and Christianity was part of the problem. Once we rooted the church out of government things got much better. The Middle East will always have these problems until they get "ALLAH" out of government as well. I guess the terrorist issue is this generations problem to solve. Agreed. It's rather interesting when you view terrorism in an society-evolution perspective. Used to be a country could only get seriously hurt until it made a sunstantial enough mistake to result in another country declaring war on it. Thus, many less-serious (but still serious) offenses could be made without repurcussions. Now, individuals and small groups can wreak havoc. It is much more important in these times for a country to avoid mistakes, particularly in foreign policy (and that's why I cannot support Bush...but that's for another thread ). Back on topic. I don't understand how ANYONE can think that taking children hostage is going to get support from around the world. CHILDREN !!! Unbelievable. DD Undoubtedly this batch of idiots does not concern themselves with the PR aspect; they want their incarcerated brethren to be released and international support be d*mned.
Absolutely DD....but how do you threaten terrorists, through death and bodily harm, that are willing to blow-up themselves AND hundreads of children to support their cause?? No amount of brute force and killing will EVER stop terrorism, only delay it That said, I hope the bastards get nailed and the Russians don't try and use their "sleeping gas" again. Did anyone see the HBO documentary on the Thearter attack? Amazing footage....
Woulda, I think you have to use their beliefs against them. If they believe that being bathed in Pigs blood will prevent them from getting to heaven, then you bath all terrorists in pigs blood, and let them know you are gong to be doing that. Understand what they fear the most and use it. If they fear nothing, than I have no answer. DD
didn't the British do that in India? grease their bullets with pig fat...or pig blood...something like that.
I think that's been referenced in relation to the US putting down a Muslim insurgency in the Philippines (i never can spell that right) but it was debunked. i was thinking about carrying one of those hormel jars of bacon bits with me on planes now though. I figure i can throw a handful in a hijackers face and say 'I don't think you want to die with all those bacon bits in your hair!!!'
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/IndianMu_CausesoftheMutiny.asp In the years just prior to the mutiny many factors combined to create a climate of social and political unrest in India. The political expansion of the East India Company at the expense of native princes and of the Mughal court aroused Hindu and Muslim alike, and the harsh land policies, carried out by Governor-General Dalhousie and his successor, Lord Canning , as well as the rapid introduction of European civilization, threatened traditional India. In 1853, Nana Sahib , leader of the Marathas, was denied his titles and pension by the British, and the aged Bahadur Shah II , last of the Mughal emperors, was informed that the dynasty would end with his death. The Indian soldiers were dissatisfied with their pay as well as with certain changes in regulations, which they interpreted as part of a plot to force them to adopt Christianity. This belief was strengthened when the British furnished the soldiers with cartridges coated with grease made from the fat of cows (sacred to Hindus) and of pigs (anathema to Muslims). The British replaced the cartridges when the mistake was realized; but suspicion persisted, and in Feb., 1857, began a series of incidents in which sepoys refused to use the cartridges.
lol. You could fill one of those squirting flowers with pig grease. 'do you like my pretty flower mr terrorist?'
AP: 2 large blasts near school in Russia with automatic gunfire happening...I pray for the children... Sick b@stard terrorists!
I know that all of the conservative talk show hosts go out of their way to paint the television and popular print media as being utterly biased to the left. I also know that Fox news is there, along with some other minor players, to balance and give a right-wing spin on things. But what I just say on ABC 13 here in Houston was inexcusable. They just went through an entire segment on this horrible 4ucking story without once mentioning the fact that these are Muslim Extremists. How can that fact be omitted? I dare someone to tell me that the fact that they were Islamic is irrelevant. In fairness I heard on Channel 2 them mention that these were Islamic terrorists. Why did the ABC national team not mention this?