Terror Suspect Cooperates

I agree but I am questioning what I consider a hypocritical position of questioning what the current Admin is doing versus what the previous Admin was doing on the same basis. Also the sudden call for freedom of the press and transparency when many of the critiques of the Obama Admin back during the prior Admin were demonizing the press' efforts.

 

Btw does this set a precedent for future terrorist interogations?

The next terrorist who knows that we offer Miranda rights plus we'll fly in his family if need be, how is he going to cooperate at first questioning?

Now if the intelligence is time sensitive and he balks because he needs xyz before he talks.

Just saying, a man who has no qualms about killing hundreds of Americans, shouldn't be treated like a normal criminal. Setting a protocol for future negotiations with terrorist is not something I would do.

These terrorist should be glad that they are still kept alive and not publically executed like minor thieves in some of the countries they come from. That is the difference between America and these lunatics. We don't chop off your head in public, that's our humanity.

But now we can't even rough up or pretend to drown these murders because we are too image conscious.

Honestly even if torture didn't provide any useful intelligence, I would still beat the crap out the likes of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed every single for the rest of his meaningless existence.

 

Then why weren't you objecting to this any of the 100's of times that it has happened over the past 50 years...why is it now that it is Obama is doing it, rather than any of his predecessors you consider it an ill-advised maneuver?

 

ummm why do you have to make it a GOP vs Dem thing again? All our leaders including most Democrats didnt see anythign wrong with the way got our intelligence. Say what you want about Bush but he did keep us safe after 911. Our methods worked and there were numerous terrorist attempts that were stopped because of our intelligence gathering methods.

These are people trying to kill your wife, kids and family. I do not have one ounce of sympathy for them. I believe in human rights but if you try to take someone elses rights to life you voluntarily give up yours. So I am all for whatever means are necessary to keep this country safe.

 

How do we know he isn't providing bogus intel?

I for one, think none of this should be public knowledge any way, regardless of if he is tortured or not. The public does not need to know everything.

I also think this has absolutely no relavence in recruiting further terrorist. I doubt many are think, "wow, Amercians are not torturing terrorist anymore, maybe they aren't so bad after all".

 

Um....McVeigh was an American Citizen, and thus deserved the rights of an American Citizen. Crotch Bomber is not and does not.

And after due process, we killed McVeigh.

 

I hear this argument all the time, but remind me again whose watch 911 occurred on again?

 

Remind me again whose watch had Bin Laden in his sites and didn't pull the trigger?

 

Kept us safe from anthrax attacks? From random sniper attacks around DC? Lets not forget bombings targetted at Americans and our allies, in Bali, Madrid, Jakarta and etc..

Also can you prove that methods of dubious legality employed by the last Admin. actually did foil numerous terror attacks? What is the evidence other than what the last Admin said? Couldn't that evidence just as likely be politically motivated?

Under that standard then why don't we extend that to drug dealers, mafioso or any other crime syndicate? What about domestic terrorists not associated with Al Qaeda? Should we do the samething for White Aryan Resistance?

 

And remind me again which party was in control of Congress at the time who cried "Wag the dog" along with threatend to amend the War Powers Act when said president launched cruise missiles against Al Qaeda sites.

 

Do you really want to down this road.............we could do this all day :grin:

 

First off Jose Padilla is an American citizen and was detained as an illegal combatant. Also as noted earlier the Bill of Rights isn't limited to US citizens.

 

Down the road to where? To where Osama Bin Ladin and the precursor to Al Qaeda got its start being armed by an US Admin? I will give you a hint the initials of the President at the time was RR.

 

umm again i am not making this a Dem vs Rep thing.
And a plot like 911 takes years to plan. If you really wanted to put blame this thing was brewing from the Clinton years.
But I am not making this a Dem vs GOP thing. The issue here is how we handle gathering intelligence from Terrorists.. and my view is we need to do whatever is necessary

 

Pretty sure he is saying that 9/11 was committed by bin Laden and Al Qaeda and Bush kept us safe from both.

Do you not differentiate between in-house terrorism committed by fellow Americans vs. those committed by foreign terrorists? Or attacks by Al Qaeda on foreign soil?

There are points to be made from both sides here, but I think the differentiation is important. I sincerely hope that Obama can continue to at least keep us safe from Al Qaeda and bin Laden, as I'm sure you do.

 

That sounds like quite a bit of parsing. If you are going to say "kept us safe" it strikes me as somewhat dishonest to define it down to such a narrow subset when you use such encompassing language.

Anyway Khalid Sheik Mohammed was inspired by Al Qaeda and the nature of Al Qaeda is extremely loose with little central command and relying much more upon rhetoric to motivate independent actors.

There are always points to be made for both sides but that doesn't mean that those points are not going to be challenged or have been challenged and refuted. In this thread I am seeing a rehashing of many arguments that in my opinion are very dubious yet continue to be brought up.

 

Then why bring up the point "Bush kept us safe"? While FB and other posters certainly did bring in a Dem vs. GOP thing it seems like you are prolonging it.

And again if you are going to blame Clinton why not go all the way to blame Reagan under which Al Qaeda got its start as part of the effort to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

 

ummm I didnt bring it up.. it was the OP who added the last line about the GOP and Bush policies. I was addressing his point. If you can READ you can clearly see I am not blaming anyone in any of my posts.

I only gave credit to Bush for keeping us safe after 911. I did not put any blame on any one person or political party. Even my response about Clinton was only to address you cant BLAME any one person or administration. It was to prove a point you cant just blame Bush. It is you who is going around pointing fingers.