Terror in Stockholm as truck rams into shoppers with three feared dead

Oh damn...a little too closed to home.

 

Many countries in Europe still prioritize the appearance of tolerance over their own security. The two are not mutually exclusive, to be fair, but they swung way too far in one direction.

 

That wasn't in this thread, and I mentioned that as possibilities not stating that was my opinion on who it was. But it is much better to try and paint that as what I said. Enjoy yourself.

 

and they were never possibilities, so you were, and will continue to be made fun of as a fool. Because posting that was foolish deflection.

 

Did you know that Sweden as a country in 2015 had 200 LESS murders than the city of Houston alone?

If Sweden is so damn bad now cause of Liberal acceptance how can you stand to live in Houston?

Sweden was bound to be a major target for Isis to get an attack accomplished in because they've shown such major success over the past few years. Isis' message is that the West and liberal democracies won't accept Islam so it's natural that Sweden will become a major target. The biggest win for counter terrorism would be Sweden having a huge showing of outreach to their immigrants and refugees they have taken in so the world can see that this attack didn't work to divide their country.

Isis' goal has been accomplished over and over here in the US because of what has come of our friends on the right who fill their news cycle with nothing but paranoia.

Thoughts and prayers for the good people of Sweden and I hope you show the world that this will only strength your outreach to our Muslim brothers and sisters.

 

Oh right, there have never been any
LOL! okey dokey, boss. You got it. Those were never possibilities because Armenians never assassinated any Turkish diplomats or anything.

And of course there are no tensions between Greeks and Turks over a place like the Kardak islands or anything. Apparently you weren't aware of this. That's okay, you're still a super smart guy. Don't worry nobody will think any less of you.

 

Sarcasm overload is back. What happened, got a splinter from your toy horse?



keep defending your idiotic posts pls. need moar

 

doh, you posted a picture of another thing besides Turkish conflicts about which you don't seem to have any real background. Fair enough. That picture is awesome, though!

 

I know you think it is awesome. That's why I keep posting it.

 

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Excellent, it's hilarious. Fantastic pic.

 

People getting murdered in the US is so common that it's mostly a statistic. What makes Europe different is that senseless deaths are an anomaly, even if Islamist extremism heightens the media attention around it. People get shot here and the halflife of outrage bleeds into politics and meaningless diversions to allow us to feel a sense of order inside the madness.

There's a whole lot of identity crises in the air in Western Europe, no matter where you go. It'll be an interesting next two generations for them, more than the US. I think their institutions and infrastructure are stronger than America's but they haven't dealt with the realities of diversity that the US has faced. It'll be two large spheres of communalism clashing head first into each other. It doesn't help that one side is breeding less than the other.

 

So we should act like there's no overlying issue here or that fears regarding Islam are merely “paranoia“?
There's a distinct difference between the senseless violence you see in the US and coordinated, ideology-driven terrorism (which is getting worse each day).

You talk about an “outreach to immigrants“ or “outreach to Muslim brothers and sisters“ being the best counter terrorism, but this doesn't address the roots of the problem and won't change sh**.
How about the Muslim community showing their outrage and calling out the negative sides of Islam, in order to change it from within and to ensure that future generations will be less problematic and more easy to integrate?
This “terrorism has no religion, they won't divide us, Islam is peaceful“ narrative doesn't help the issue one bit and only helps the terrorists.

 

I disagree Yung T. I see and hear many people who are Muslim speak out about the perversion of their doctrine that radical Jihad groups use to recruit and do harm.

However yes I do understand their ideology well and I know that they should have reformed their doctrine centuries ago like Martin Luther etc did with the Bible. The Bible would be much easier to pervert and use for harm had it not been translated over and over again which really was reforming for a more modern context.

However when it comes to Europe assimilating immigrant Muslims, some countries do this terribly like France where they essentually get ghettoized in cities like Paris. Here in the US we have a much better system for assimilation because there are so many smaller towns that need the people to help local economies. I'm sure you've heard about that small town in Vermont that has boosted its revitalization because of taking Syrian Refugees.

So I do think here in the US it is paranoia. In the grand scheme of things to worry about it should be far far down the list. Over in Europe some countries do need better assimilation systems, we do need more vocal peaceful Muslim leaders to have a voice and stand alongside us in fighting the perversion of the ideology that groups like ISIS use it for. And lastly Islam needs reformation. Jihad groups too easily pervert their doctrine over and over again.

 

Agree with many of your sentiments, but sadly don't see enough Muslim leaders and followers speaking up. The vast majority of Muslims I see on social media (and on this board) immediately dismiss any connection and don't allow for Islam to be criticized.

Semi-related anecdote: One of my favourite German journalists, Constantin Schreiber, has studied and lived in Middle-Eastern countries for years.
When the wave of immigrants was at its biggest, he did a TV show which highlighted aspects of Muslim&German culture and tried to bring both sides closer together. This show was critically acclaimed and well-received by Muslims, German right-wingers however hated the show and felt like he was trying to spead Islam.

A little while ago, this journalist did undercover research on German mosques and published a book. His experiences highlighted a lot of negative aspects when it comes to German mosques and imams, mainly the spread of oppressive thoughts and sharia law. What happened next? The very same Muslims (which praised his previous efforts and TV show) suddenly accused him of being a xenophobe and anti-Islam figure. This journalist was a hero to many Muslims here, but as soon as he brought attention to negative aspects of Islam, they painted him as a hateful nazi with an agenda against Islam.

 

Thats religious zealotry for you. Like I said Islam should have been reformed many years ago. People will get offended if you call out their religion 100% of the time. That's just the nature of humans and their attachment to religion.

I never said that wasn't a problem with assimilation on Islam into western culture but I do think people shouldn't be worried that the millions of peaceful Muslims here and abroad have some sort of switch that gets thrown that makes them do radical violent things upon a trigger. The far right definitely preys on that fear and creates a narrative that they are ALL secret time bombs which is nonsense.

Ive spent time in Dubai for work and I'll tell you this right now they won't do anything to jeapordize their way of life of nice cars, shopping etc that western culture brings with it.

What drives people to violence is more about the person than the religion. The folks here in Houston committing violent crimes probably suffer a lot of the same ailments of metal illness, poverty, violence, abuse, etc. If you look at the history of the Swedish attacker I'm sure you'll see a troubled past behind the attack as more of a problem than the Koran.

 

The fact that my post was completely reasonable means it makes all the less sense that you for some bizarre stalkerish reason brought it up again all this time in a thread where I didn't mention anything about which terrorist group was driving the truck. It made no sense for you to bring it up at all.

But the fact that somebody that believe's it's more likely that ISIS were the ones who carried out the chemical weapons attack in Syria has any say on what is actually idiotic and asinine, is laughable.

As my post clearly indicates, I NEVER CLAIMED it was Armenians or Greeks that carried out the attack. I correctly put forward the idea that it was a possibility. And it definitely was.

Here are some examples of Armenian groups targeting Turkish targets.
https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/jcs/article/view/10546/11761
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Turkish_embassy_attack_in_Ottawa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Turkish_embassy_attack_in_Lisbon
http://www.ataa.org/reference/diplomats.html
http://www.agos.com.tr/en/article/1...key-armenian-genocide-became-a-security-issue

So there is a long history not only of grievances between Armenian groups and the Turkish, but also radical groups carrying out attacks. Presenting that as a possibility wasn't unreasonable. Being ignorant of those facts and attacking others might be unreasonable.

Greece also has a long history of conflict with Turkey and tensions there flair up on a semi-regular basis.
http://www.euractiv.com/section/med...in-the-aegean-sea-by-violating-greek-borders/
https://www.dailysabah.com/politics...-greek-fishermen-drop-anchor-in-kardak-islets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_dispute#Turkish_Military_overflights
https://greekcitytimes.com/new-turk...airspace-amid-the-chaos-of-terrorist-attacks/

So again, it was certainly possible that attacks were a result of military level tensions with the Greeks. As I mentioned in my post there were numerous possibilities and those were only a couple of them. I didn't say Greeks, Armenians or any other groups were guilty of the attack, or that they were even the most likely culprits. I simply and reasonably pointed out that they were possibilities.

The biggest question isn't even really your apparent ignorance of the state of relations there, but why you would bring up ancient posts when I wasn't even involved here. Your stalker behavior has been noted by others, and is on display here as well.

Your attempts at humor might be more successful if they actually made sense. But whatever. Good luck, Zippy.

 

He's been off his rocker for quite some time. Nobody takes him seriously.

 

Wrong. I was never on my rocker. I've been off of it the whole time.