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[Terror] Bomb claims victims in Moscow Airport

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jan 24, 2011.

  1. penda45

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    Very reliable source you got there with the "Arab Appearance" buddy.... Especially when the Chechen rebels(who are suspected to do this) are Caucasian.... :rolleyes:
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    That part with the Arab is all over the news, although I find it odd that they would immediately conclude that this might be the suicide bomber - could have been a random victim as well.

    But aside from the Arab piece - if it was a Chechen rebel...what does he have in common with the suicide bombers bigtexxx mentioned?
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    Have the Germans been ruled out yet?
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I'm in Ecuador, couldn't have been me!
     
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    He had parents. Likewise, they did a study and found that a whopping percentage of serial killers ate a pickle sometime during there lifetime.

    It's really a disturbing trend.
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Just keep deflecting and ignoring the truth.
     
  7. penda45

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    Hmmm, here is a link to BBC , CNN and FoxNews , the only place the word "Arab" was mentioned was on Fox News(I wonder why...).

    Apparently they think that suicide bombings will accomplish something for them just like the idiots mentioned here who don't happen to have a common religion.

    Here is an excerpt from the BBC new article

    "President Dmitry Medvedev has admitted that poverty, corruption and conflict in the North Caucasus is Russia's biggest internal problem."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12268662
     
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    Great post. Thanks.

    Horrible post as usual. :rolleyes:
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    I thought the Giffords' shooting showed why we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the perpetrators.
     
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    There was a case in Russian a few years ago where several terrorists attacked a theater. They were killed, and unfortunately several of the people at the theater, in a operation using poison gas to keep the terrorists from detonating bombs.
     
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    Ya unless they fit the target of your bigotry.

    (your meaning the person who would be jumping to conclusion, we're all guilty of it at some level, some more than others)
     
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    Or Oklahoma City, where everyone assumed Islamic radicals immediately after the attack.
     
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    I don't think its possible to find a more neutral source than that. Good job, thumbs up.
     
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    It's obvious that Islamic fundamentalists have employed terrorism a lot. It's simple-minded to seize upon their religion and conclude Allah made them do it. That's about the only work a cherry-picked list of Muslim terrorists could accomplish, and it's lazy reasoning.
     
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    I thought your point would have been logical. I think in most cases it is. bigtexxx is just more interested in trolling, and others may have their own reasons for wanting to come to certain conclusions.
     
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    using that logic, obl couldn't have been responsible for 9/11. :p
     
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    Yeah, his denial was up four minutes after KingCheetah innocently asked a question about Germans in general. Interesting, to say the least.
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    Good point...you got me there!
     
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    Here is an excerpt from the wikipedia article on suicide attacks:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack

    Muslim religious motivation
    Main article: Istishhad
    Islamic terrorists believe they will enter paradise as a reward for their actions. One of the quranic verses they quote in support is Surah At-Tawba verse 111[43]: :
    Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their wealth for the price of Paradise, to fight in the way of Allah, to kill and get killed. It is a promise binding on the truth in the Torah, the Gospel and the Qur'an.
    According to a report compiled by the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, 224 of 300 suicide terror attacks from 1980 to 2003 involved Islamist groups or took place in Muslim-majority lands.[44] Another tabulation found a 4.5 fold increase in suicide bombings in the two years following Papes study and that the majority of these bombers were motivated by the ideology of Islamist martyrdom.[45] According to another estimate, as of early 2008, 1,121 Muslim suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Iraq.[46] Recent research on the rationale of suicide bombing has identified both religious and sociopolitical motivations.[47][48][49][50][51] Those who cite religious factors as an important influence note that religion provides the framework because the bombers believe they are acting in the name of Islam and will be rewarded as martyrs. Since martyrdom is seen as a step towards paradise, those who commit suicide while discarding their community from a common enemy believe that they will reach an ultimate salvation after they die.[52] Other researchers have identified sociopolitical factors as more central.[53][54]
    Even though suicide is forbidden in Islam, some conservative, influential Muslim scholars including most notably Yusuf al-Qaradawi have justified suicide bombings when the perpetrators are occupied or acting in self-defense without other available means to defend themselves.[55] However, many scholars of Islam have pointed out that classically, Islam does not justify suicide bombings. For example, Bernard Lewis states, "The emergence of the now widespread terrorism practice of suicide bombing is a development of the 20th century. It has no antecedents in Islamic history, and no justification in terms of Islamic theology, law, or tradition."[56] Respected Muslim scholars have also made statements and fatwas condemning suicide bombings as terrorism that is prohibited in Islam with the perpetrators being destined to hell.[57] In condemning suicide attacks, Muslim scholar Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri directly targeted the rationale of Islamists by stating, "Violence is violence. It has no place in Islamic teaching, and no justification can be provided to it...good intention cannot justify a wrong and forbidden act".[58]
    According to Charles Kimball, chair of the Department of Religion at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, "There is only one verse in the Qur'an that contains a phrase related to suicide", Surah 4 verse 29 of the Quran.[59] It reads:
    O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.
    Some commentators believe that the phrase "do not kill yourselves" is better translated "do not kill each other", and some translations (e.g., by Shakir) reflect that view.[60] Mainstream Islamic groups such as the European Council for Fatwa and Research also cite the Quranic verse Al-Anam 6:151 as prohibiting suicide: "And take not life, which Allah has made sacred, except by way of justice and law"[61]. In addition, the Hadith unambiguously forbid suicide including Bukhari 2:445, "The Prophet said, '...whoever commits suicide with a piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire," and "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.".[62][63]
    Some academics have suggested that only by terrorist leaders such as Osama bin Laden becoming suicide bombers and "being martyred publically [sic] by the authorities" could the popularity of such attacks be increased.[64]
    In January 2006, one of Shia Islam's highest ranking Marja clerics, Ayatollah al-Udhma Yousof al-Sanei also decreed a fatwa against suicide bombing, declaring it as a "terrorist act".[65]
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    224 of 300 between 1980 and 2003. And I am pretty sure that the ratio has not gotten better since then. The article cites both the statistical evidence and the attempted rationalization by islamists (reward in heaven :rolleyes: ).

    Are you saying there is no correlation? When you say "seize upon their religion", what do you mean? Do you not see the statistical evidence?
     

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