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Terrence Williams the next Gerald Wallace?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Captain Hook, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. wakawakka

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    Ron Artest admittedly doesn't understand The Triangle to this day and Phil Jackson still starts him. Adelman is a proven coach and I respect him, but I do think he's a bit stubborn at times. In a case like this, where we've been struggling, maybe an exceptional talent outweighs completely grasping the system.

    If Terrence isn't getting the system because of an apparent lack of motivation (could be completely possible given his attitude issues), then I guess I can understand why Adelman refuses to play him. But if he's just a bit of a slow learner, then maybe it's worth testing the waters with him and seeing if he picks it up better with in-game experience.

    I get why Adelman didn't play Wallace on those stacked Kings teams that were elite without his contributions. But perhaps on a team where we're drowning more and more day by day, some flexibility could be in order.
     
  2. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Phil Jackson has players who can actually play through rough patches and we don't. When was the last time letting players play through slumps in a game working for us? A good coach recognizes when to call time outs and when to change up the match ups. I have almost never seen RA do that. It is also a huge fail when fans are surprised when RA makes the right call.
     
  3. foo82

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    And you're neglecting the fact that RA has to deal with constant changing in our rotation and injuries. Why do you think that The team grade is D- while Adelman got a B? I'm not saying he's overrated but considering what he has to do in the past 2 years, he's been doing a damn good job.
     
  4. rockets0_12_7_1

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    CLee is probably not playing tomorrow soo , Twill is gonna have to get some pt tomorrow.
     
  5. RedStaag

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    lol obviously Rick's system is not working since the team has a crappy record to show for it.

    I actually applaud Williams for not getting such a system, since its not working out well for those that did
     
  6. chenjy9

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    Ever heard of Clyde Drexler? Until Jordan beat him, he was considered comparable to Jordan in talent. Also, the Kings that made it into the finals were STACKED. He had Bibby, Webber, and Peja as his top players. Do you see anyone like that on our team? Bibby was way better than either Lowry or Brooks. Webber was way better than Scola ever was and will be. Peja in his prime is just as good as Martin if not better.
     
  7. chenjy9

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    Like I said, he is a good preparations coach but a horrible game coach.
     
  8. gah

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    If there’s anything Rockets fans should know is that learning Adelman’s system is not a short endeavor.

    I’m getting sick and tired of folks superimposing Terrence Williams to everything else, Terrence Williams is not a sure thing, and nobody here can attest if will pan out or in the worst case will turn out to be the next Starbury or Zach Randolph circa NY days, an on the court cancer in the mold of J.R. Ryder, 3 players immensely talented but who were complete headaches who wasted their talents by not concentrating in the only thing that matters, playing to win.

    If Williams isn’t playing is because he hasn’t been the mother****ing stud jumpy people in this forum make him out to be, it takes patience, especially with the kind of player he is, if he were to be playing right now and going through his growing pains, knowing scaremongers here so well, I bet they would be the first to make him the scapegoat for not responding to the illusory high standards they have already formed of him. Patience, you “I know better than Adelman coaches”, you got to have it.
     
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    Ron is like my 15 yr old daughter. He has taken playing dumb to art form and uses it to entertain all of us. Don't believe for a moment that Phil hasn't beat at least some of the triangle into him. Otherwise Ron would not still be in LA.
     
  10. chenjy9

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    If we have been winning with Adleman's system, this would have some credibility. As it stands, we are not winning and there is nothing to lose by playing T-Will and everything to gain from getting him experience.
     
  11. ralphabetsoup

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    From the sit-com length amount of time I've seen him play in total (21 minutes, or less), he shows much potential in the Magic Johnson/Paul Pressey/Michael Ray mold of Point Forward/Guard.

    At least Adelman is aware enough of that (seemingly) to put the ball in his hands when he actually does see court-time. It's either that, or his teammates are naturally finding him and making him create the plays.
     
  12. LongTimeFan

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    A sign of a good coach is one that can design an offense that best utilizes his best player. If this is true, Adelman needs to do some tweaking to get TWill on the court.
     
  13. inishi

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    You're actually blaming the record this season completely on ra? Have you looked at the roster? Noticed the injuries? All of the teams under Rick have overachieved. Hell, most of the teams hehas coached have overachieced. You cannot say twill is thebmost talented player on this team either. He athletic and has made some flashy passes, but you might want to hold back on your praise.

    I hope he does turn out to be an outstanding player. I even think he might, but Kmart and ab and scola are pretty talented in their own rights, and are proven players. The coaches are at practice, we aren't. I'm going to lean on their knowledge and judgment.
     
  14. RV6

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    How many other player didnt "get" the system, when Rick first got here, as well? It took some time for them to really buy into it AND learn it. I think it's very premature to say he's too stupid to get it. It's more like, he doesn't get it yet. Plus, consider the way he plays. He likes to handle the ball and make the play. In this offense one guy isnt always going to make the pass that leads to a shot. He's got to breakdown his way of thinking first, then buy into the system, and then learn it. Too early to give up on him.
     
  15. chenjy9

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    I am not blaming his system for his losses. I am pointing out the foolery of relying on a system that we have neither the players or talent to fulfill and not giving a chance to our most talented player in a time where we aren't winning and will not make it far in the playoffs (assuming we even get there) anyways. Besides, is overachieving and resuming mediocrity during post season suppose to make me feel better?

    I will humor you and assume he is not the most talented player on our roster. Are you seriously saying he is not more talented then the waste of space that is Budinger? Seriously.... :rolleyes:
     
  16. inishi

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    Yeah, I believe I might have heard of Clyde, which is why I said MOST of his teams were largely devoid of star talent. Outside of Webber, he didn't have much on sac either. Bobby and peja are good, but really not star quality.

    On the rockets, you pretty much made my point for me. It was said he is a bad game coach, which is wrong. He is coaching a mediocre team plagued by injuries with no defensive presence outside of Shane and chuckas a center.

    For the record, Bobby isn't " way better " than a healthy ab.
     
  17. TheDude34

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    I'm sorry... Are we really supposed to take the word of a ball boy?








    I'm not buyin.
     
  18. inishi

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    hell no. Everytime I see chase on the floor, I want to through up in aluminum foil and eat it. But he plays well in this system, just like the majority of our roster, or probably 90% of the league would. Our players fit the system offensively just fine, but I don't think there is defensive system on the planet that would help.

    He will most likely get his play time just like Landry wnd ab did. You never know what will happen, especially around the deadline. Most of the people ahead of him have had their stock go up, even chase.
     
  19. monster

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    LOL....We aren't even at the half-way point of the season and so far everyone on this team needs to be traded except Terrence, who needs to be given a starting job due to the 6 good passes he's made.

    Sometimes the internet isn't so cool.
     
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Talent wins rings.

    A system wins lottery balls.
     

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